November 05, 2008
Bitter, Clingy, and Discounted
Fearing a gun-grabbing President-Elect and Congress, Ruger is issuing an "Inaugural Special" on Mini-14 magazines.
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CY: Congratulations! Your blog is one of my "must reads", and you've done some terrific original investigative work. Please keep up the great work.
posted by Paco at November 5, 2008 05:37 PMThanks for the heads-up. I don't have a Ranch Rifle right now, but I just ordered several spare high-capacity mags based on my recollections of 1994. One wonders just how soon it will be before a number of firearms manufacturers and vendors will be running specials in a similar vein.
posted by Michael at November 5, 2008 08:54 PMI just want to raise my son with values and moral aspects. I am concerned that the world is more about making things equal, than it is about teaching to strive harder for the material things. Working for mediocrity is only middle. We should strive to be the upper echelon.
posted by CliffTex1016 at November 6, 2008 12:31 AMWow CliffTex. What would Jesus say to your idea that the world should striver harder for material things rather than working toward equality?
posted by Smarty at November 6, 2008 02:28 AM« Hide Comments
Four Years and Counting...
As I mentioned briefly a little earlier, Confederate Yankee sprang to life four years ago today. It was never really intended as anything more than a one-off response to an angry elitist, but as responses to that post came rolling in, I got hooked.
Blogging has been very good to me. I've met some truly brilliant people as a result of blogging, both online and in person. Some of these people are bloggers and media personalities and politicians you may have heard of, and many more are commenters and those who actually do the things I write about, including soldiers, journalists, professors, and other hard-working Americans.
Those of you who do are are an inspiration to me, and keep me humble as I should be. Mostly, I write and reflect and pontificate. You make America—and other countries—work. I just hope that in some way I can contribute to furthering your far more important work, popularize those things you believe, and occasionally shine sunlight into those areas that need to be disinfected.
Thanks for the ride so far, folks.
I can only imagine what we'll do next.
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posted by History Chasers at November 5, 2008 01:19 PMCongratulations, CY.
Here's hoping that you turn 4 years into 40 more. Cheers!
posted by W-K-B at November 5, 2008 03:22 PMCongrats! You are on our RSS feed.
posted by Marc Boyd at November 5, 2008 04:00 PMWell!
Only four years? Seems longer than that.
Thank You CY! You asked "What will we do next?" Well, I know from experience that a true unrestricted Combat War Correspondent (as in Ernie Pyle) is almost impossible to find these days. Michael Yon comes very close, but he's freelance. "Embedded Jouranlists" were neither, and were a joke, staying behind walls and paying locals for "reports" that naturally were false, they learn fast, and only bring back what the biased media wants to print, beneath a real name. I believe intereted bloggers should convene (As in Convention) and petition the U.S. Armed Forces to provide a real soldier correspondents to send their stories to interested blogs. With todays "lap-top" technology it's an easy task. Yes, their scoops would be censored, but I KNOW that the reality is that the Army WANTS this kind of news to go out, they just don't like it going out to, and being twisted to schreds by, the biased Mainstream Media. In contrast, PJM style blogs would offer the Armed Forces BOTH an opportunity to "kind'a" tweak the story, get the finished story out, and trust that there would be a SOURCE that the MSM would have to go through (like a firewall) to try and spin it. An added bonus is of course; REVENGE and PAYBACK by throwing the MSM out of the loop ant replacing it with bloggers dedicated to reporting the truth. PLEASE think about it, pass it along. It's a great Idea, and would make national stars out of all of you who participated. (Not that 'cha aren't already).
posted by Nostradamus at November 5, 2008 04:56 PMCY, it's been a lot of fun hanging out here with ya. I plan on sticking around for at least 4 more years, if you'll have me. :)
posted by C-C-G at November 5, 2008 07:13 PMFour years already! I hope you find the next four years as rewarding as the last. Glad you're around.
posted by pst314 at November 5, 2008 10:42 PMHappy Anniversary!
posted by Robert at November 5, 2008 11:24 PMBob, you've done a hell of a job with this thing, going beyond blogging and into serious, substantive citizen journalism. Do carry on, and thank you.
posted by Pablo at November 6, 2008 12:00 AMDon't sell yourself short - and I mean many of "you" - bloggers and commenters alike.
I agree with all you said, but I think one thing this election cycle has shown us -- the internet is becoming an important part of our democracy.
Of course, it, and specifically "blogging" can do harm - wild rumors and smears and lies and even fake sites set up to discredit the opposition or individuals....
....it is much harder for readers to police/sift the internet.....but it is a rising form of valuable mass communication - at a time when our traditional means --- is failing horribly ---- our mainstream media...
If it were not for certain talk radio shows, especially the investigative work Sean Hannity did, or for some well known conservative blogs, like this one, ---- how much more of our voting masses would have been completely in the dark about Obama's past before he began running for president - when he does not have an extensive history in government for us to learn from???
And talk radio's days are numbered.....
Reputable blogs --- and I'd say reputable on the left or right or center ---- will become even more important once the federal government makes the move against talk radio.
And blogs can build a reputation over time. And become known. And gain in credibility and influence.
The comments sections also allow for a sometimes too spirited discussion - but a discussion you can't get most other places. And that can be a small positive in our democracy as well.
You are not a soldier fighting a war or a policeman on the thin blue line.....but you are offering something valuable (and new).....
....and deserve thanks for that.....
posted by usinkorea at November 6, 2008 02:58 AM« Hide Comments
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Four years ago today, I read a particularly vicious rant on Slate called The unteachable ignorance of the red states. It was part of a series of angry rants written by a bitter liberal authors in response to John Kerry's defeat. This particular angry author, Jane Smiley, seemed to need sedation as she bashed the 59 million Americans that voted for President Bush.
Smiley, who doubtlessly considered (and probably still considers) herself superior to most Americans, exposed an amusing sort of condescension as she sought to make a historical point involving the Civil War during her rant. It would have been far more biting and far less amusing if she had not gotten that history precisely backward.
Her arrogance and ignorance warranted correction, and led to this blog entry, my very first. Glenn Reynolds and Frank J both linked it (then on blogspot), and I've been hooked ever since, some 3239 blog entries, 34,000 reader comments, and 4.6 million page views later. It's been a good run thus far, and one that appears to be strengthening over time.
I'm quite sure that giddy liberals awoke this morning hoping to hear Smileyesque rants and tortured wails of defeat coming from those of us on the right, accompanied by empty threats of abandoning the country and declarations that Barack Obama isn't our President. It is what they did.
Such is not our style, however.
We love the United States. Through every conflict and war through the various permutations of the Democratic and Republican parties, we love the country, not its politicians. We know better than to subscribe to cults of personality, having seen the damage they've done to nations in other parts of the world.
And so we wish Barack Obama great success as our 44th President, because we want our country to succeed, for our children's sake. We want our kids to reach heights and have opportunities that their forefathers couldn't have imagined. We want them to have an ever-better world.
I'm sure that Democrats also want these things for their kids. We just have very different ideas on how to get there.
We now have a liberal President-Elect, a liberal-led Senate, and a liberal-led House of Representatives. They now have the power and the responsibility. We'll see how Hyde Park, Las Vegas, and San Francisco family values fare when applied to the rest of the nation.
Frankly, I have strong doubts about Barack Obama's capability to lead our nation. I will continue to oppose his policies and prescriptions that seem to oppose to goals of our Founding Fathers. But he is my President-Elect, chosen by my fellow Americans. I disagree with their choices, but I respect their right to make that choice. I won't insult them for their choices, but will instead attempt to be more persuasive in the next election.
In just two short years, in 2010, we'll ask our fellow Americans to consider what an Obama/Pelosi/Reid-led government has accomplished.
Two short years.
I can hardly wait.
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I have never wanted to be so wrong.. As a middle class American, my dream has always been to rise above the middle class to be financially independent. Now it seems that the rest of the nation just wants to be middle class.. Striving for mediocrity is no way to raise families; this debilitates character. I just hope that "Spreading the wealth around" benefits us as much as our fellow Americans have hoped.
posted by CliffTex1016 at November 5, 2008 12:08 PMI thought the same looking around the conservative sites I read frequently. The comment sections were not so even keeled, but they were not totally outrageous, and the main posts were congradulatory toward Obama as well as saying they would stand up for the principles they believe in.
I think there is one difference between the right blogsphere and left: we will be less likely to rise up in indignant anger if what the new liberal government does is successful.
Iraq War II is a fine example: they did not want American success there. They preached doom and gloom right up to the point positive gains on the ground grew to such an alarming extent they could no longer do so ---- and then they just shut up about it altogether --- here I'm talking about the liberal media. On the non-official outlets, success in Iraq was still greeted with derision.
The same goes for economic success: when a Republican administration gains it for the society as a whole, we hear nothing but cries of how the wealth gap is growing - the poor getting poor and the rich richer - how the middle class is sinking into poverty, and how things must, must "change."
We will not see that from the right in minority status:
If Obama's trickle up system works --- if it leads to greater prosperity for the society as a whole, if it grows business in America and pushes up the upper class while raising up the lower levels -- just as the trickle down economics grew an economy that helped the nation as a whole -- then conservatives will be happy....
...They will not become more and more angry as the economy grows.
If Obama is successful in foreign policy -- like getting major EU nations to pick up the slack in Afghanistan or Iraq and that shows signs of achieving significant gains, conservatives will not scream bloody murder about it.
posted by usinkorea at November 5, 2008 12:38 PMI gotta tell you...I don't know if it makes me a bad person or misguided (or something else) but I really DON'T want Obama to succeed.
I know it means tough times for our country, but if he succeeds with his policies, then every conservative in this country has been wrong, and we just need to throw in the towel.
If he succeeds, I don't see the uprising of true conservatives that this country needs.
I hope he crashes and burns, and all the people who sheepishly supported him will have to recognize the mistake they made.
I think it's the only way this country is going to get back on the rails.
I don't think I'm bitter...I think I'm just being realistic. Last night I felt personally mad at everyone who voted for Obama. I was considering it a personal insult against me and every other person who just wants to keep this country free and prosperous. But I quickly realized that isn't the right attitude. So now, instead of bitter anger, I just feel bad for the people who have been so mislead.
I might not have got the president I wanted, but I at least have the truth. That's priceless.
~T the D
http://thedrunkelephant.blogspot.com/
I made this same comment on your previous post, but I will make it again.
I don’t believe we need despair over the current state of affairs. This country survived the Jimmy Carter administration and we will survive Obama’s. Despite his best efforts Carter didn’t destroy the American Dream. And we only had to live through double digit inflation, France-like unemployment, 1% economic growth, an energy crisis and the highest prime interest rate of any President, before or since. Carter never got a second term. Neither will Obama. The American people will realize they have been sold a pipe-dream. And after Jimmy Carter? a 49 state landslide for Ronald Reagan. Maybe this dark cloud has a silver lining after all…
posted by Eric at November 5, 2008 02:57 PMI want Obama to succeed for the sake of our economy, but what I think will happen as his economic policies are tested, is that his socialist illuminati principles won't work in our country. And frankly, that's what needs to happen. I certainly believe in generosity and a form of equality in America, but it is not the government's role to take from us and give to others. If anything the Church needs to exemplify that kind of selfless, un-legislated giving from the heart, and I think we've made strides in that direction in the past several years with Africa and the AIDS crisis. But we haven't yet been moved by the situation at home, possibly because in comparison to other countries, our standard of living is incredibly high.
posted by jeanedcrusader at November 5, 2008 03:05 PMOh, and sorry for piling on, but this is from the comments to the previous post. On your site: "Pardon me for being different -- Obama will never be my president, not now, not ever. My maternal grandparents people were butchered by the same Stalinist goons that are now voting for Obama (Ayers, Dohrn, Klonsky, etc.). Count me in the incorrigible opposition that seeks to see this corrupt Chicago turd ripped to shreds in the next four years."
Yeah, classy.
posted by Johnny Coelacanth at November 5, 2008 03:46 PMObama will be my president. And that sucks.
posted by Stephen Macklin at November 5, 2008 05:16 PMI think it stinks that Obama won. I think a lot of people in this country are in for a rude shock at what he is going to do and what he is actually like. I'm furious with the liberal media and their bias. After this, I definitely won't buy their newspapers, magazines or watch their pathetic television programs. They did more than anyone else to help get him elected. I hope the American people remember their bias and hold them to account. In regards to your blog Confederate Yankee, I enjoy it greatly and I hope you continue to blog for many years to come. Rock on!
posted by Ditto at November 5, 2008 06:52 PMIf Obama chooses policies that truly make America more free, more capitalistic, and safer, then I wish him success, just as I wished Clinton success in those policies of his that made America better... like welfare reform.
However, if/when Obama picks policies that take America down the path to socialism, I will oppose him with all my might.
posted by C-C-G at November 5, 2008 07:17 PMThe One won. Bully for him and his supporters.
However, that does not mean its time to roll over.
The most frightening thing to me that might result from this administration is destroying our victory in Iraq. We are indebted to our brave fighting men and women for their incredible sacrifices and should be eternally grateful for their successes. Throwing them away mocks and demeans the sacrifices in lives we have incurred on what Abraham Lincoln referred to as the "altar of freedom". We owe it to our armed forces and veterans to ensure that does not happen.
posted by Teleprompter Messiah at November 5, 2008 08:51 PMif it grows business in America
The left in the USA has always been business hostile, so that's not going to happen. My crew is seriously considering moving our base of corporate operations to Germany. The German's corporate tax structure is vastly more business friendly than the USA, and they don't have this insane adversarial relationship between business and government.
The German government wants to help us succeed, the US government just wants to tax the crap out of us.
posted by PA at November 5, 2008 09:21 PMOne small quibble there, CY, we don't have a "liberal President elect, a liberal led Congress... we have a marxist president and a socialist congress and house.
posted by emdfl at November 6, 2008 12:06 AMAs true patriotic Americans... This is OUR DUTY, to deal with, and function. Our Nation is only at stake if we give up. Carter did it wrong, and we elected Reagan. Think about the economy. When election year comes around, "trickle down economics" always works, versus a socialist idea.
posted by CliffTex1016 at November 6, 2008 12:46 AMTuesday, we got crushed by the Liberals. We lost the Presidency and lost seats in both houses of Congress. Obama won and on January 20th, he will be our president. We can blame the media, the economy, the war, the candidates. They raised more money, got out their voters, played rough, loose with the truth but they won. What are we going to do next time?
We need to focus on a single issue. Obama will wreck the economy with taxes and new government spending. In two years, every representative will answer for it. Conservatives should savage the porkers and big spenders.
In any contest, there are rules. If a basketball team finds itself behind in the final minutes, their players commit intentional fouls. Service academies and religious colleges have strict honor codes yet their teams commit intentional fouls. Why? Fouls are tactical and amoral.
In the 2008 election campaign, Liberals played by one set of rules; Conservatives, another. In a perfect world, everyone would do the right thing, but as we saw November 4th, the world in which we live is far from perfect. To win, we must understand the actual rules and exploit them.
There are rules on campaign contributions, voter registration, citizenship, residency, eligibility, ID, etc. These rules, however, are not evenly enforced. If a voting district permits “tactical violations,” we should first try to make them enforce the law. If we fail, we must adjust our tactics to compensate. Today’s political campaigns are rough. Candidates who are unwilling to run under defacto rules sets should refuse nomination.
Conservatives should organize 527s and “community organizers” parallel to MoveOn.org and ACORN. If a Liberal opponent disables the donor information making it impossible to enforce limits on campaign contributions, why should Conservatives just accept this disadvantage? Why should individuals be limited to $2,300 per candidate? It’s a silly, artificial limit. If our opponent exceeds that limit with impunity, why should we not do the same?
If ACORN receives federal funding to register voters and get out the vote, why shouldn’t Conservative Officers For Election Reform (COFER)? If ACORN floods the rolls with registration forms from the Dallas Cowboys, COFER could register the more attractive Cowboy Cheerleaders. If ACORN sends in thugs to intimidate voters, COFER could send in large veterans on Harley-Davidsons to reassure them.
Hopefully, those charged with enforcing election law would do so. If not, we should recognize reality and act accordingly. Please spare me the "high road" lecture.
posted by arch at November 6, 2008 06:12 AM« Hide Comments
November 04, 2008
Ammo or Alcohol: Election Results
I just rolled in after 12 hours in the car, 9 1/2 behind the wheel. My eyes are glazed and I don't know if I'll have a lot to add to election coverage, but if anything crops up, it will go here.
As for the "ammo or alcohol" crack, that's merely based upon reactions I've heard predicted from the right and left. Conservatives seem to be content to drown their sorrows in the event of an Obama victory, where some nutty liberals have claimed that there will be riots, and that "blood will run in the streets" if Obama's coronation is thwarted by a McCain victory.
Update: Close to home, Kay Hagan defeated Elizabeth Dole in the NC Senate race, according to Fox News. I find it very difficult to feel much sympathy for Dole. She wasn't much to remember.
Update: McCain's dreams of a PA upset seem to be over; just about everyone is calling Pennsylvania for Obama. Clinton-supporting PUMAs appear to have been all growl, no bite.
Update: If the polls are correct in NC and Ohio, and both states go Obama with over 50%, then I think this election is pretty much over.
Update: Ohio goes for Obama, and the math seems to indicate that McCain can't hit the magic number of 270 electoral votes without a major surprise. Congratulations seem to be in order for Barack Obama.
Update: It's over, folks. Please pray for President-Elect Obama, and that he makes the right decisions while in office.
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I'm just looking at blogs now... feeling sick about the early returns and almost regretting that I gave up alcohol sixteen years ago. :(
posted by Hermit at November 4, 2008 08:40 PMplease add to the election coverage, I need more lulz!
posted by blackfrancis789 at November 4, 2008 08:48 PMHermit, something that works almost as good is Chick-Fil-A french fries. Drown your sorrows in some crunchy waffle goodness. In case we're wrong and McCain kicks unexpected butt, you'll still need some munchies to watch the liberal illuminati have their looting spree on TV.
posted by jeanedcrusader at November 4, 2008 09:03 PMAll - lets actually wait until we actually see the votes. Calling PA without a single vote being counted? What the heck is that about?
posted by BRD at November 4, 2008 09:14 PMAt work, I'm surrounded by Obamaniacs.... but I guess that's the norm for most large school districts. When I left work today, my boss asked what I'd be doing tomorrow on my day off. I told her it depended upon the outcome of the election... either celebrating or going into mourning. She said I should be prepared to wear black until at least Friday. I told her no, I'd be wearing black for the next four years.
I'm hanging in there, hoping these early predictions are wrong. No french fries, though... I made some fried chicken instead. :)
posted by Hermit at November 4, 2008 09:32 PMwell, if obama wins lets not be assholes about it like the liberals would be if mccain wins. No matter how much we disagree the president will have been picked by the people, we do live in a democracy after all
posted by MAModerate at November 4, 2008 09:34 PMBut if Obama wins, we will only be living in a democracy until January 20.
posted by Trish at November 4, 2008 10:25 PMBe careful what you wish for; you may get it.
The hordes of Obamamaniacs are about to learn the wisdom of that phrase.
posted by C-C-G at November 4, 2008 10:42 PMSo when do we get to riot, burn busses, torch police cars, throw rocks and blow up things? What's that? Only the left can use Bill Ayers tactics? Oh... right. Because we all have to go to work tomorrow to earn money to be given to those who empowered Obama.
Yes, I won't riot. But I will strike. Countdown begins now...
posted by redherkey at November 4, 2008 11:05 PMBe careful what you wish for; you may get it.
The hordes of Obamamaniacs are about to learn the wisdom of that phrase.
C-C-G,
Something we can agree on. The next few years are going to be hard. Let's hope we can work past our divisions and join together as Americans.
As Churchill said, democracy is a terrible way to run a government, but it's a heck of a lot better than whatever's in second place.
Have a drink and put on the Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want." That's what sustains me in tough elections.
David Terrenoire
posted by David Terrenoire at November 4, 2008 11:11 PM
George W. Bush is the last President of the United States of America.
What Obama will create is a crime against humanity.
posted by Trish at November 4, 2008 11:20 PMPardon me for being different -- Obama will never be my president, not now, not ever. My maternal grandparents people were butchered by the same Stalinist goons that are now voting for Obama (Ayers, Dohrn, Klonsky, etc.). Count me in the incorrigible opposition that seeks to see this corrupt Chicago turd ripped to shreds in the next four years.
posted by Mescalero at November 4, 2008 11:47 PM"Congratulations seem to be in order for Barack Obama... Please pray for President-Elect Obama..."
CY,
I grew up the liberal kid in rural Alabama and when I read your blog I hear the guys that used to kick my ass. I've done my darndest to give you a hard time over the years. I'm humbled now to realize that you're a better man than I. I couldn't grit my teeth hard enough to say about McCain what you said just now.
I sincerely hope the next administration is a pleasant surprise for you. Who knows, maybe by 2012 you'll see liberalism as merely a usually persistent vegetative state :).
My jig is up.
Over and out,
Earl/Lex Steele/Luther Tines/etc
(Incidentally, I was never 'Nunaim' and know nothing about that person.)
"and that he makes the right decisions..."
CY,
I think you are tired. Though the MSM tried their best to keep it plugged it was leaking horribly between the seams and from Barack Hussien Obama's own mouth as well as from his pre election life long radical friends. We know his mindset and the lack of experience and the fact that he is just a front for something bigger. Wake up. Now lets see the outcome. The dirty ballot box stuffing tactics and blantant lies at the mic are only the beginning as to how these guys are going to operate as they set to crush the USA. What is not being talked about is his true character and ideology that he purposely hid from the public's eye. All his records, including his birth certificate. Generally the public still doesn't know who this guy is as the MSM kept him hid. All they are hyping to divert attention is that he is black. This is true but give me JC Watts instead not a radical marxist which come in all kinds of colors.
Historical election? YES but not for what they are touting. To hype color is racism but what about his heart and what he believes. They won't be slow about their agenda but I'm suspicious about the MSM continuing their propoganda machine to cover up the goverments actions. They will be hard hitting and overwhelming and subversive. This demagogue didn't run just to boast. The "Fairness Doctrine" is going to be one of the first salvo's launched against freedom of speech and I wonder if they are going to expand it somehow to the internet. CY, I think it would be great that he was just a maverick (liberal light) but wake up. America has just been highjacked. Listen to Jeremiah Wright, listen to William Ayers. This is what this this guy is. Do you think they will laugh that they pulled this off and shrugg off their marxist ideology to just play it straight for the sake of the USA which they hate? They are going to move fast or at least try to. Lord willing, we will stand up and resist peacefully and effectively. Yes CY, let's pray and be sober minded. The atheistic marxists have just taken the White House and have a majority in Congress. The agenda of "Che" has come to town and they don't like dissenters and have an un American way of dealing with them.
John McCain was gracious - even noble - in his concession speech. Sadly, I do not have his strength of character. I feel certain that Liberty received a mortal blow tonight... and Obama will never be my president Never.
posted by Hermit at November 5, 2008 01:43 AMWild. Obama hasn't done anything as president at this point, but some people won't recognize him.
So, what does that say about your own votes? Really, they only count if you win?
posted by dan at November 5, 2008 01:55 AMRed Phantom was Lex Steele?
Holy Smokes. I remember him. That guy belongs in a mental hospital. He's pretending to be sane all of a sudden? I don't buy it.
posted by brando at November 5, 2008 02:03 AMClinton-supporting PUMAs appear to have been all growl, no bite.
That was clear long ago. Even the growl was Larry Johnson holding a damned big megaphone in front of a sleepy purr.
posted by Mike at November 5, 2008 02:54 AMPlease pray for President-Elect Obama
Never.
For the second time in my life the United States has elected a known criminal to the presidency.
He is not my president and never will be. He is vermin.
May he have many failures, no successes, and leave office in four years a broken man.
posted by wolfwalker at November 5, 2008 02:58 AMI will pray that America is on the side of God, as I always have and always will, no matter who is President.
posted by Adriane at November 5, 2008 05:52 AMI wish President-elect Obama all the best & pray for wisdom & good judgment on his part.
That said, the minute that man touches the military or my civil rights I will go straight from skeptical advocate to raging hellion.
But for now, he has my full support despite my suspicions as to the future.
posted by Slveryder at November 5, 2008 06:07 AMYes, pray for the President-elect, and pray for this fair country of ours - before it becomes the USSA (United Socialist States of America).
posted by MikeM at November 5, 2008 07:00 AMYes, pray for the President-elect, and pray for this fair country of ours - before it becomes the USSA
what's he gonna do ... buy up a bunch of banks and auto manufacturers ? too late for that.
posted by Adderol at November 5, 2008 07:54 AMRepublicans have got to quit being "nice".
Dems are using negative propaganda against Rs everyday, they need to turn the tables.
Every time an R is interviewed they need to talk about:
* Ds culture of corruption
* Ds deceitfulness
* Ds being unethical
* Ds being power-mad
etc.
And Rs need to polish their brand and not publicly flog people like Lott and Allen for "racist" comments.
When a "macaca" incidence happens, an R politician needs to say it was an "unfortuante" word, but go directly to attacking any and all wrongs by Ds.
This is a political war, and Rs have disarmed.
posted by mockmook at November 5, 2008 08:45 AMCongratulations, mockmook, you are the mirror-image of a typical HuffPo/Kos poster. They KNOW that all "Rs" are corrupt, deceitful, unethical, etc. Just like you know this about all "Ds."
...And mindlessly defending any Republican just because they have that "R" next to their name is one of the reasons they lost in '06 and '08.
Well, that, and spending like drunken sailors, snuggling up to K street, and in general acting like idiots. Why, yes, I am thinking of Ted Stevens right now...
Y'all need to cowboy up, and get over yourselves. You lost an election, not a war.
Casey's right. If you have a problem with the results of this election, get out and good riddance. The Republican Party better re-align and figure out some new ideas and approaches because demographically speaking, the next half-century doesn't look to good for it.
posted by Dirk Steele at November 5, 2008 10:17 AMI agree with CY, Casey, and Dirk.
Trish, you and mockmook need to get a very strong grip on yourselves.
posted by Mikey NTH at November 5, 2008 10:22 AMThis country survived the Jimmy Carter administration and we will survive Obama’s. Despite his best efforts Carter didn’t destroy the American Dream. And we only had to live through double digit inflation, France-like unemployment, 1% economic growth, an energy crisis and the highest prime interest rate of any President, before or since. Carter never got a second term. Neither will Obama. The American people will realize they have been sold a pipe-dream. On the bright side - who came into office after Jimmy Carter? Maybe this dark cloud has a silver lining after all…
posted by Eric at November 5, 2008 10:57 AMWhat this represents is a rejection of American exceptionalism by the majority of American voters. Don't be mad at Obama. Be mad at your fellow Americans. We our now, as Johnny Rotten once said regarding the UK, "just another country, another place of tenancy". No better than France or Bangladesh. At least so the majority of Americans believe.
posted by Mark in Portland at November 5, 2008 11:51 AMI'm 100% with 'Jeanedcrusader('s)' comments !
Don't give Alcohol any of your precious life !!
/sjg
"If you have a problem with the results of this election, get out and good riddance."
Whoa! That's way over the line. You're announcing that if any person doesn't like the results, then they are forced to leave the country, and you'll be glad because they're beneath you?!
Please think about this and understand. Just because your candidate won an election, doesn't mean that you can forcibly drive millions of servicemen out of their counrty. You're wrong to announce that. Police yourself, son.
posted by brando at November 5, 2008 05:40 PM« Hide Comments
November 02, 2008
An I-81 Story
Almost exactly four years after I started CY I find myself once again in Newburgh, NY, where I started this blog. We drove up yesterday on a long-planned trip to visit a friend who recently had a her baby.
As we drove up I-81 in eastern PA, I noticed that every few miles Obama supporters had placed two parallel rows of perhaps 20 signs in each row in the median. This went on for the entire time were were on I-81; I'm not sure how long it went on, but imagine they must have used hundreds, if not thousands of signs, and spent many man-hours deploying these signs in neat, even rows.
To counter all this? A single pair of strategically placed McCain/Palin signs.
My take away?
The Obama campaign and it supporters spent a tremendous amount of time and effort on flash devoid of substance.
If John McCain becomes the President after voting is complete on Tuesday, the wasteful, shallow extravagance in median of I-81 may very well be a fitting metaphor for a Obama political campaign ran precisely the same way.
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If the signs were reversed you would not call it a "wasteful, shallow extravagance." Your bitterness is making you sound unhinged.
My question is what right does anybody from either party have to put a sign up for any candidate on public property. put it on your own property or do not put it up at all.
posted by David at November 2, 2008 12:22 PM...and on that note. I agree with you CY.
Red Phantom, if the signs were opposite, the comparison would not ring true because McCain's campaign is not a wasteful, shallow extravagance. Obama's is.
posted by David at November 2, 2008 12:25 PMHow many signs does it take to create an eyesore?
If you are an Obamabot, one, if it's a McCain/Palin sign.
posted by GISAP at November 2, 2008 12:49 PMAnd when John McCain loses on Tuesday, he'll get exacty what he deserves, for running a dishonorable campaign with a joke of a vice-presidential candidate: the tag "loser".
Don't those rows and rows of Obama signs give you a clue as to how many Obama supporters there are, and how many feel that he is, by far, the better choice on Tuesday? The cost of road signs is minimal, but the investment of time by volunteers is immeasurable. McCain signs aren't out there because McCain supporters are much fewer in number and way less enthusiastic in supporting their candidate.
posted by diogenes at November 2, 2008 03:16 PMIn northeast philly- a blue collar heavily democrat area- there are no Obama signs. There were hundreds for Kerry.
Guess those folks- who under any other circumstance would be voting Dem- perhaps DONT think Obama is the better choice?
Not good for the Dems. When large voting blocks are unenthused about your ticket- not good at all.
LOL
posted by TMF at November 2, 2008 03:46 PMNew TIPP/IBD poll out.
Obama 47.6 McCain 45.5
Thats alot of undecideds.
Wonder who they'll swing for- the eurosocialist professor with no record or the fighter pilot war hero w/26 years experience?
posted by TMF at November 2, 2008 03:49 PM"Don't those rows and rows of Obama signs give you a clue as to how many Obama supporters there are, and how many feel that he is, by far, the better choice on Tuesday?"
No, it gives me a clue that a campaign which raised $600 million, much of it of questionable origin, and could afford those pompous idiotic Greek columns has a few bucks left over to hire people for minimum wage to post those signs.
By the way, I don't know who will win Tuesday or what the margin will be but I will predict this without fear of contradiction:
McCain will get *way* more votes per dollar than Obama.
posted by Gary Rosen at November 2, 2008 04:12 PMAll those signs make me think that a campaign awash in money can afford to do things like that.
I don't see a groundswell for Obama. Lots of supporters, yes. But not that kind of broad support I sensed for Reagan. But I think everyone sees a man attempting to buy the Presidency and already acting like he was President. I think most Americans believe that Obama has not been vetted or challenged by the press (more for electricity? civilian national security force? Columbia? Medical records? etc., etc.).
I think that such extravagance in Pennsylvania might offend more voters--of the bitter and clingy type--than impress.
posted by iconoclast at November 2, 2008 04:56 PMIconoclast: I agree, particularly with the point that when people see Obama nowadays, everyone sees a man acting as if he is already President, instead of merely a candidate running to become the President.
As George S. Patton famously remarked, "Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser." True, but Americans also despise arrogance, which Obama and his campaign display in truckloads.
Obama Nation: Be prepared for the anti-arrogance, pro-underdog blowback, which will make McCain the winner in this contest.
posted by W-K-B at November 2, 2008 05:53 PMDon't those rows and rows of Obama signs give you a clue as to how many Obama supporters there are, and how many feel that he is, by far, the better choice on Tuesday?
If there was something that made me think that each person put up one sign, maybe. However, there's no reason that one or two people couldn't have put up dozens of signs.
Of course, since the Daley Chicago Machine that Obama was trained in specializes in multiple votes per person--not to mention dead people voting--I guess this sort of tactic is right up their alley.
Sorry, you flunked out again on your first post since leaving in disgrace a while back.
Why don't ya go back to wherever you snuck off to last time?
posted by C-C-G at November 2, 2008 07:25 PM"We drove up yesterday on a long-planned trip to visit a friend who recently had a her baby."
I think those are called 'female'. Just a head's up.
posted by Kevin at November 2, 2008 08:45 PMYou could probably get away with calling it a 'she baby' too. If you wanted to.
posted by Kevin at November 2, 2008 08:46 PMHey Kev... ainchoo evar spoke to a redneck? as in "She done gone an' had her a baby.." Enuff what with yor colledge edgeamacation... yew just git on back to that there skoolin, and leave the semantics to us there bubba...
posted by Big Country at November 2, 2008 09:49 PMQ: How many OBama supporters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None. You just hope the bulb will change itself.
posted by PA at November 2, 2008 10:37 PMJust curious: what's the difference in your minds as to "lots of Obama supporters" and "a groundswell of support"? Do you not recognize that John McBush hasn't led in a single credible poll since September 25?
I understand that you want to hope against hope (no pun intended) but c'mon, get real. Colorado has turned from deep red to deep blue in a little over two years. Obama's ground troops are running circles around the McBushers. And Colorado isn't alone in that regard.
And C-C-G? I'll look back fondly at racists like you when the results are in -- VERY early on Tuesday. You guys can sit back on the front porch, enjoy your moonshine, and laugh your asses off at the city slickers. But, every now and then, a good education and some politically savvy work will actually beat a buncha good ole boys shooting the bull on a redneck blog.
Enjoy the next eight years, fellas! I will.
posted by diogenes at November 3, 2008 12:22 AMAll those signs, if they were put up by multiple people, is mostly because his supporters don't work, won't work, you couldn't give them a job in a pie factory. I can almost guarantee the signs will never be removed either unless the state pays for it.
posted by tjbbpgob at November 3, 2008 12:26 AMI drove through Idaho/Washington farm country today and I was surprised by the number of Obama signs that I saw. Many more than a few months before, but still fewer than McCain signs. Strangely the Obama signs were often homemade too. This whole area has always been not just safely Republican but exclusively Republican. My guess it is a sign of what is to come on Tuesday.
posted by Smarty at November 3, 2008 12:32 AMI see that Obama's paid posters are here.
posted by LenS at November 3, 2008 02:07 AMAnd out come the expected race baiting libtards...
posted by DIAF at November 3, 2008 03:26 AMAn Obama win is starting to look more rather than less likely. I'd like to know what an Obama Presidency would mean for Britons.
posted by Curly at November 3, 2008 08:32 AMI'll look back fondly at racists like you when the results are in -- VERY early on Tuesday.
And with that statement, you've shown quite clearly that you have absolutely no comprehension of what's going on.
The polls (not that I trust them) are neck-and-neck, neither candidate has such a commanding lead that it will be over early on Tuesday. Heck, two of the states that McCain and Obama are fighting over are in western time zones...Colorado and Nevada.
All serious political pundits, left and right know that it will be a very long process determining the winner this time. With the multiple investigations into voter fraud this year, it could be weeks or even months before it's truly decided.
Congratulations are in order, tho... you've successfully shown yourself to be even more clueless than I had thought you were.
posted by C-C-G at November 3, 2008 08:36 AMHard to find a Mc Cain sign in NY, even in my neighborhood where O'Rielly lives, somewhere I'm told. But New York is liberal and always will be because of the mass of poor people here and their dependence on government cash in one way or another. I have two sons, one of whom went to a prestigeous Ivy Engineering school,that I paid for, and the other to a state school that he put himself through and where he majored in History. The former has never had a job that wasn't government funded. He is very much a socialist and thinks Obama is a gift to the US because of his intelligence. The other guy has worked since he was 12 in the entertainment industry. He has no job security, has never been paid a dime by the government, buys most of his clothes second hand and never asks me for money. All his friends are mad about Obama and consider him a god like creature. He, however, will vote for McCain. Self reliance and terrorism are his personal issues.They both live in LA but grew up in NY. I can't see Obama being good for the US if he stays on his solid left course. Let's hope the undecides decide for the guy with the fewest signs.
posted by mytralman at November 3, 2008 09:30 AM" With the multiple investigations into voter fraud this year, it could be weeks or even months before it's truly decided."
I know of several instances of voter registration fraud, but what examples of voter fraud are you referring too? As they are not remotely in the same category, I would be interested to see links to your alleged statement.
posted by tarheel at November 3, 2008 10:59 AMYou people would be funny if you weren't so sad. Hope you enjoy the next 4 years.
posted by Dave Macleod at November 3, 2008 11:08 AMThe fact is, you liberals should shut up, and stop coming here to harass patriots. Obama is a socialest and hates the USA, that's a fact, he is cheating in the election using ACORN and money from foreingers, if he wins we will go Communist and religion will be outlawed unless you are Islam.
posted by Gary Ruppert at November 3, 2008 11:14 AM"But New York is liberal and always will be because of the mass of poor people here and their dependence on government cash in one way or another"
Actually, red states tend to have a much higher gov. aid/fed. tax ratio.
posted by socialists and terrorists oh noes! at November 3, 2008 12:18 PM"I know of several instances of voter registration fraud, but what examples of voter fraud are you referring too?"
How about the 13 Obama campaign volunteers who illegally registered in Ohio? Some of them cast votes. Even more amusingly, the Obama campaign legal counsel apparently told them it was OK.
Hey just back from a jaunt down an Oklahoma Highway, I'll get back to you after I psychoanalyse the the hundreds of McCain signs.
I might psychoanalyze my neighbor too, he has a McCain sign, a blue healer and a bald head. Does that strike anyone else as odd?
posted by dBa at November 3, 2008 12:49 PM"Actually, red states tend to have a much higher gov. aid/fed. tax ratio."
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/266.html
W-K-B:
"Obama Nation: Be prepared for the anti-arrogance, pro-underdog blowback, which will make McCain the winner in this contest."
DEFEAT IS VICTORY! LONG LIVE THE VICTORIOUS REPUBLICAN PARTY!
posted by Grondo at November 3, 2008 01:23 PMDavid -- "if the signs were opposite, the comparison would not ring true because McCain's campaign is not a wasteful, shallow extravagance. Obama's is."
No, if the signs were opposite CY would cite them as evidence that McCain is the popular favorite, and that polls to the contrary are a sinister plot from the MSM.
rapido est mucho -- ain't that the dregs? We blue staters pay for the red staters' lunch and they they call us socialists.
posted by Red Phantom at November 3, 2008 01:30 PMLooks like the Obamatrons are getting nervous...they always swarm when they're worried. Love the guy who tries to make Obama the choice for the Union side in the Civil War. Can't really see any Union soldier voting for a scumbag who hung out with terrorists for much of his adult life or who went to a "Church" that preached racial hatred. Don't worry, losers the MSM will console you for the next four years - telling you that "McCain stole the election". To the polls, Republicans, PUMAs, America-loving Democrats and all pro-Americans. Let the haters stew in their bile while their Messiah slings back to the Chicago thugocracy that spawned him.
posted by Terry Johnson at November 3, 2008 02:40 PMC-C-G: "The polls (not that I trust them) are neck-and-neck"
First, if you don't trust them why cite them? Second, you're flat wrong. Name me one reputable news source that predicts a McCain victory. I'm seeing consistent estimates that Obama will win 350+ electoral votes against 270 needed to win.
posted by Red Phantom at November 3, 2008 02:43 PM...and people keep stealing my Obama signs, while leaving untouched, my neighbors' McCain signs. And that is a fitting metaphor for the way Republicans view dissenting views. I certainly don't mind contributing another $10 to the Obama campaign every time one of my signs needs replacing, though!
posted by Anecdata at November 3, 2008 03:11 PMDear wingnuts,
Thank you for the laughs. Please keep it up.
Luv,
me
posted by brad at November 3, 2008 03:38 PMObama will give America its soul back! With, I hope, a healthy helping of funk on the side. But we will have to keep Obama up to the mark! Join me in insisting that only the most revered and noted Jazz artists are placed on our currency. No fly-by-night rap stars! I want Louis Armstrong on the thousand dollar bill! Duke Ellington on the Hundred! Anyway, I'll be setting up a website, and you can all vote for your favorites. This is going to be a glorious time for all who lover and revere America's great melding of European and African musical traditions into something unique, which has captured the whole worlds attention and affection.
Should both all Marsalis brothers be in the Cabinet? So much to decide.
Smell the desperation from those who want more Bush type failure. Gary Rupert is the reason that the rest of the world is aghast at what one of the most blessed countries has come to. Wingnuts have nothing to offer but fear, this has to be the worst campaign the right has ever run. Until the GOP stops pandering to the Gary Ruperts (Sarah Palins long lost uncle?) they will never have any credibility.
posted by yoyo at November 3, 2008 04:01 PMThis is an example of being for something usually trumps being against something..
Kerry lost in 2004 not because of weirdness in Ohio.
Kerry lost because many of those who voted for him..were not for HIM..they were just anti-Bush.
That was not enough.
Obama won the election with his win in white people Iowa Primary. Edwards and Hillary were set. They did not lose because Iowa was anti-Clinton..anti-Edwards. Obama won because more folks were for Obama.
Memories are too short if folks do not remember the "McCain is too liberal" rants coming from talk radio and Fox during the summer of 2007.
Memories are too short if folks forget that every Democratic Primary set records on votes..
A few questions for registered Republicans.
How many times has someone from the McCain campaign knocked on your door?
How many calls from a real person from the McCain campaign called you asking if you want to help out?...Are you voting early? Do you know where to vote?
Are you voting/or have voted because of your belief in McCain or your disbelief in Obama?
"It's the line stupid!"
Based upon the Primaries and the current state of our nation,;it is reasonable to assume record lines for voting. How many of the wishy-washy undecided will wait in a line for hours to vote?
How many McCain/Palin supporters will wait in line after
VA..NC,,and IN go for McCain/Palin?
I can tell you..those voting for Obama in AK will still vote...
The outcome of this election is simple..
Being against Obama without a passion for your candidate will not be enough.
Tomorrow night..many Americans will be dancing in the streets..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WW3BQH0ir8
I voted for Obama six times, and I followed my wife around and harangued her until she voted for Obama four times. Hell, if Obama wins, I'm giving him my wife. "Here man, take her" I will say, "She's a wonderful girl and may she do you as much good as she's done me!" Which is a lot, I'll have you guys know. I treasure that woman, and if I wasn't so sure Obama is the one, I'd never let 'er go. "Treat her nice, Barack" I'd say, "She'll be your number two wife in no time, and ask her to make her peach cobbler for you. It is dyn-o-mite!"
posted by Mooser at November 3, 2008 04:07 PMKeep Dreaming Obama-fans. There's no way the American people are going to vote this inexperienced novice in just because it will make white liberals feel good about themselves. Even the biased MSM polls have Obama only just ahead and everyone knows the Republicans make up ground on the final day. Be prepared for lots of rioting and sobbing in the streets when Obama's bubble finally bursts tomorrow.
And what is sad is that if Hilary had got the nomination and not been robbed, this election would have been her's in a landslide...
Red, thanks for proving that you don't comprehend what I write.
I didn't say any polls had McCain winning, I said they were neck-and-neck. In many battleground states the Obama lead is within the margin of error, therefore, mathematically, it's a dead heat.
Let's also remember in 2004 the polls gave Kerry about a 5 point lead. We all know how that one turned out, don't we? And, given that we know Obama has underperformed at least one poll by 8 points in the primaries (NH), I'd say that anything under about 10 points could (not will, mind you, but could) still swing McCain.
posted by C-C-G at November 3, 2008 08:01 PMAfter Obama wins in a landslide I can't wait to come back and point out birdbrained comments like these.
posted by richard at November 3, 2008 08:01 PMSuppose Obama doesn't win? Then what will you do?
posted by PA at November 3, 2008 08:06 PMPA, he'll never be seen here again.
Richard, three words for ya: "Dewey Defeats Truman."
posted by C-C-G at November 3, 2008 08:41 PMC-G-G,
I hope you are right. What polls are you referring to?
Rasumssen has McCain down by 6, WSJ says by 8, Marist down by 9, GQR by 7, FOX by 7, CBS/NYT by 9, ABC/Post by 9. I haven't found any other polls but I assume you must have to say things are neck and neck. Please reply so I can "hope" a little.
posted by Smarty at November 3, 2008 09:06 PMSorry, I was using yesterday's data... at the time I posted the original comment today's data wasn't out, and I've just now completed my review of what today's results are.
IBD/TIPP had McCain down 2.1 with a 3 to 4 point margin of error (data here), just for a start.
Also, you might wanna peruse an old GOP hand's (who goes by the pseudonym "Obi Wan") commentary here.
Now, I freely admit we might have a President Obama. But the polls so far are not justifying either side picking out the drapes for the White House yet, and the cockiness of the Obamabots annoys me.
posted by C-C-G at November 3, 2008 09:29 PMBy the way, if anyone wonders about the political background of Obi Wan, whom I mentioned before, see this post. Here's a summary:
an individual who had been involved in the highest levels of GOP politics for longer than I have been alive.
He's a wise old Jedi Master of politics, and what he says should not be discounted lightly.
posted by C-C-G at November 3, 2008 09:48 PMI remember Dio. He's the dusk-orb guy. He's a fool.
posted by brando at November 3, 2008 10:18 PMC-C-G --
"I didn't say any polls had McCain winning, I said they were neck-and-neck. In many battleground states the Obama lead is within the margin of error, therefore, mathematically, it's a dead heat."
I have a couple of questions for you. One, why cite polls you don't trust? Two, can you name a reputable news source that doesn't predict an Obama victory? (No, "Obi Wan" doesn't count.)
As your friend Smarty pointed out, the IBD poll you mentioned is an outlier. How revealing that it is the one you trust.
"He's a wise old Jedi Master of politics, and what he says should not be discounted lightly." We agree on something after all! People who name themselves after children's movie characters shouldn't be discounted lightly, but with prejudice. Whoops, maybe you don't know what 'discounted' means so my joke is lost on you. Perhaps you ought to stick with your Star Wars figures.
I wish everyone would just get their hostility out during these last 24 hours. But after the election, everyone will be back to harass and humiliate each other more, to point out previous birdbrained comments and to say "I told you so." Unfortunately the election won't change anything for those who are dead set on blaming the opposing party for all the evil in the world. I am just wondering who will have the best excuses and rationalizations--the die-hard conservatives or the lefty illuminati?
posted by jeanedcrusader at November 4, 2008 12:02 AMPeople, go out tomorrow and vote. Rain, sleet, snow or blazing sunshine just go out and vote. It's a God given liberty we have enjoyed for over two centuries. Yes believe it or not we are a nation with many enemies who would love to see us go down not just now but in decades past. The atheistic marxists have been hard at work legally and illegally to highjack this election. It's the only way to get themselves into power and I mean total power. Its not to give the USA a "makeover" but a death sentence by lethal injection of changing laws and regulations to destroy her as she stands. Barack Hussien Obama the radical marxist is not alone. He has many friends whom we know are our enemies. Marxists operate and feed on the welfare class. They preach and teach victimology to stir the masses and cry "REVOLUTION!" or in this case "CHANGE! They promote class warfare, racism and point the finger to their opposition declaring blatant lies of their intentions but in reality its their own. They don't care really about John Doe in the welfare class because in reality they want crush liberty, capitalism, the right to bare arms and destroy the middle class if not economically then literally by death. They want everyone except themselves to be the "welfare class" subject to "THE STATE". What we've witnessed in this election is stunning as the MSM became a propoganda machine for this demagogue. No longer investigative and reporting but promoting and destroying. Do you really know by the MSM who Barack Hussien Obama is?? The free radio and internet started to dig and the truth began to spill out despite the MSM's silence. There is still so much to find out. GO VOTE! Don't listen to the hype and intimidation. The USA IS under seige and has been. Barack Hussien Obama is the most deft 9/11 attack this marxists thugs and jihadists have executed to this point. Highjack our own planes and make them into flying bombs is one thing but now highjack our own Whitehouse and goverment and bring our nation down like the twin towers starting from the top is another. People wake up, don't sulk but go vote. Even on other "right wing", "conservative" blogs you'll find people writing articles that are see through "dope" to bring you down and out of the foray. Don't bite and go vote this marxist radical out of contention and hopefully out in the open for everyone to see what he and his cohorts are, domestic terrorists.
posted by TonyUSA at November 4, 2008 12:36 AMTonyUSA,
By equating obama to 9/11 terrorists you make Republicans look bad. Obama and you share something in common: you are both idiots. Jihadists and Marxists don't tend to like each other (soviet war in Afghanistan). Vote Republican, but please unplug your keyboard and close your mouth.
posted by Smarty at November 4, 2008 01:31 AMI agree with Smarty.
I am pretty nervious about tomorrow. If we do lose, I hope we can reorganize with less religious right power. This whole anti-intellectual thing is getting pretty annoying. Palin needs to ride her moose back to Alaska and stay there.
posted by RepubliCon at November 4, 2008 01:35 AM"We agree on something after all! People who name themselves after children's movie characters shouldn't be discounted lightly, but with prejudice. Whoops, maybe you don't know what 'discounted' means so my joke is lost on you. Perhaps you ought to stick with your Star Wars figures."
This from someone with the screen name red phantom. roflmao
posted by Todd at November 4, 2008 01:39 AMIf obama does win, and my guess is he will. I will predict that he actually reaches out across the isle. I think we will all like him a lot more than Clinton.
posted by Slippery at November 4, 2008 03:07 AMNot to sound like a defeatist, but I am preparing myself for an Obama victory. It won't be pretty, but we lived through Jimmy Carter (albiet with double digit inflation, massive unemployment, 1% economic growth, an energy crisis and the highest prime interest rate of any president before or since), but after 4 years of Carter, Americans realized they had been sold a pipe-dream and they were actually worse off than they were before. Carter never got a second term. Neither will Obama. And who came after Carter? Maybe this dark Obama cloud does have a silver lining...
posted by Eric at November 4, 2008 10:12 AMCY, my first thought was what a shame defacing such a beautiful stretch of road. Then I realized I was thinking of I-84 out of Scranton, not I-81 into.
posted by bains at November 4, 2008 11:30 AMExcellent observation!
I personally find the amount of money spent and the devoted Obama followers to be more than just slightly concerning.
I can't imagine four years of that...
Here's to hoping we'll never have to know what that would be like!
~T the D
http://thedrunkelephant.blogspot.com/
Excellent point. Similar to my reading of the difference between the profligacy of Obama's outlay of tens of thousands on those unwatchable 30-minute infomercials vs. McCain's fiscal discipline in making use of a limited amount of free air time of punchy material on SNLs faux QVC shopping channel:
"You can't go wrong with McCain Fine Gold"
posted by Sissy Willis at November 4, 2008 07:20 PMI agree with Slippery. If obama wins and that is IF, I think he will be a lot better then B. Clinton.
posted by Mouse at November 4, 2008 07:37 PM« Hide Comments
November 01, 2008
Obama's Illegal Alien Aunt
Turns out Aunti Zeituni Onyango, one of Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama’s many relatives made famous in his memoir, is an illegal alien. And not just a run-of-the-mill illegal alien on welfare.She’s one of the hundreds of thousands of deportation fugitives — absconders – whom I’ve been reporting on for the past six years. After 9/11, the government vowed to crack down on absconders. They’ve failed abysmally.
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Obama’s estranged father’s half sister loves the US so much she wants to stay in poverty?
Outrageous.
Palin’s HUSBAND hates the US so much he is a member and supporter of the Alaskan separation group.
Maverick.
posted by Matt at November 1, 2008 05:49 AMMichelle gave facts with an abundance of links to an obscene injustice. You Matt, provide the standard argument we've come to expect from Marxist supporters.
posted by ken anthony at November 1, 2008 07:21 AMDeport Her now, or can the rest of us American's bend the law into what ever we want it to be
posted by Eagle Eye at November 1, 2008 07:46 AMok, so what is the point?
is the point she is illegal since 2004 and the republican administration has done nothing?
posted by crshedd at November 1, 2008 08:03 AMPalin’s HUSBAND hates the US so much he is a member and supporter of the Alaskan separation group.
Got any facts to back that up, Sport?
I thought not.....
Typical liberal BS.
posted by 1sttofight at November 1, 2008 08:42 AMSuch interesting comments.
-Mr. Palin isn't running for office (but Sen. Obama who has so many ties to people and organizations that hate or have actually bombed America does).
- The Democratic CONGRESS hasn't done squat in the last 2 years of power (not that the Republican Congress didn't spend like a drunken sailor...they get just as much blame). The President doesn't make law....CONGRESS DOES.....direct your efforts at voting out incumbants...but hey I digress.
Sen. Obama is incapable of caring for his own family members, but sure has no problem taking taxpayers money and giving it to non-taxpayers. Oh and the Aunt living illegally in city funded (taxpayer) housing....nice!
posted by TH at November 1, 2008 08:46 AM My question, "How can an illegal alien work
with Experience Works an organization that is paid with government funds? What documents could she given them for identification and income? This program is federally funded by grants and allows people to work 20 hours a week at minimum wage. How can our government allow our tax dollars to be given to non-citizens for work/volunteer at a local agency at a time when many American citizens are unemployed and could utilize the minimum wage given away to the non-citizen?
I
posted by Lenora at November 1, 2008 09:23 AMAnd according to the Times of London article, she has donated to Sen. Obama's campaign, using the Housing Authority address.
posted by Roberta at November 1, 2008 09:43 AMAs a Frenchman, I must warn you that if you do not vote for Obama then the minorities will rise up and loot your homes and businesses and burn your towns.
posted by Jacques Landiss at November 1, 2008 09:57 AMAs an American, I'll remind the French that America has learned not to take advice from them, not after WWI, WWII, Viet Nam, and the African shitholes the French have created with their colonialism. America does not love a communist the way the French do. As for Obama's minorities coming to my house to do harm, we have body bags to remove them after the welcoming party. Tea anyone?
posted by twolaneflash at November 1, 2008 11:08 AMNot to mention that unlike the French, we have guns, and aim to use them in a SHTF scenario.
The LA riots were stopped with Korean Immigrants using guns. I'm half Korean, and armed.
posted by Chaz at November 1, 2008 11:19 AMObama makes mention of this same aunt in one of his books. How and where does he know aunt Zeituni? Was it from an early childhood in Kenya? What does aunt Zeituni know of Barrack Obama's life and perhaps birth in Kenya? Since Obama has yet to show a "legitimate" certificate of birth these are questions that aunt Zeituni should be asked.
Barrack Hussein Obama may not be qualified to hold office as President of the United States and could also be an illegal alien? If found out, would it be able to deport Obama with his Zeituni?
Now watch as the Obama campaign's 24-hour a day, Internet flying goon squad boilerplate bash these questions and this poster too.
posted by J. Zerga at November 1, 2008 11:19 AMis the point she is illegal since 2004 and the republican administration has done nothing?
True.
However, conservatives like myself have vocally disagreed with the current Administration about immigration policy for years.
Once again, you provide a great opportunity to point out that we on the right are willing to admit that our elected officials have flaws, and make mistakes. You on the left are not.
Thanks for opening your mouth and inserting your foot. Did ya learn that from Joe "FDR on TV in 1929" Biden?
posted by C-C-G at November 1, 2008 12:16 PMAnd she is being protected by Bush from deportation.
posted by Federale at November 1, 2008 01:57 PMOkay, Federale, you convinced me.
I won't vote for Bush for President in this election!
Aren't you proud of yourself now?
posted by C-C-G at November 1, 2008 03:57 PMPostal, when McCain/Palin win, and you /wrists yourself, please do us the favor of videotaping it all, and getting it published to youtube.
thanks.
posted by DIAF at November 1, 2008 05:16 PMOf course the government failed... but the failure at hand is the one of the MSM to uncover this information earlier. I know the deportation fugitives aren't an easily solved problem, but I think fair and deep coverage of a presidential candidate is. I blame the liberal illuminati agenda for this caveat coming to light just days before the election.
posted by jeanedcrusader at November 1, 2008 06:10 PMthe minorities will rise up and loot your homes and businesses and burn your towns
Typically, they just wreck their own neighborhoods. To wander too far outside one risks getting shot.
posted by PA at November 1, 2008 07:17 PMInteresting how Obama supporters are desperately trying to change the subject and lay the blame elsewhere. the point is not that the U.S. govt, didn't make sure she was deported, it's that she was living in taxpayer subsidized public housing for years, that Obama knew of her presence here in the U.S., that he didn't look out for her welfare, that he couldn't care less what happened to this woman, but yet he "used" her when convenient in his sappy memoir that he made money off of, and most important of all, that he sanctimoniously preaches that we all spread the wealth around, and not act selfishly. Typical limousine liberal.
posted by AVM at November 1, 2008 07:37 PMI, for one, will welcome a President who can consistently use sentences with subject/verb agreement....
Apparently you have never heard him try to talk without a teleprompter.
Ladies and gentlemen:
Nogo is a troll from way back. He's been banned for life from at least one other blog I know of--Wizbang--and Wizbang is quite tolerant, even offering lefties their own area, called Wizbang Blue.
The best thing to do with his rants is to ignore them, and him. He'll eventually get bored and leave.
posted by C-C-G at November 1, 2008 07:57 PMWhy isn't Goon Squad insulted by the implication that minorities are so violent that they will loot and burn rather than accept Obama defeat like civilized adults? That to me is more offensive than any talk about guns.
posted by May at November 1, 2008 09:05 PMHey Goon Squad- in case you havent watched the news for the last 5 years- The only people getting shot by gang bangers are mostly innocent bystanders- and the only people being shot by law abiding ccw holders are criminals...
On another note- if this were anyone besides Barry O- as soon as that book came out some reporter would have found this out in a day! Ie Joe the Plumber. But since it is Barry he gets a pass and this will probably never come out on TV.
The real scandal here is that Obama has close relatives living in poverty. Obama doesn't really seem to be interested in help. One can only speculate about this at this point. I do wish that before Obama takes off with my wealth to redistribute it, that he would lead by example and distribute his own wealth. At least then I'd know he cares.
http://rightklik.blogspot.com/
Obama was not born in Hawaii. So therefore he should be deported. His aunt should be deported. Joe Biden is an idiot. Neither has served in the military. What a couple of bums.
posted by Jay Gray at November 2, 2008 09:54 AM"Palin’s HUSBAND hates the US so much he is a member and supporter of the Alaskan separation group."
"Got any facts to back that up, Sport?"
Google "todd palin separatist movement". He was registered in the Alaska Separatist Party until 2002. He's anti-American!
posted by Red Phantom at November 2, 2008 12:21 PMRed, I note two words... "until 2002." Therefore you cannot say he is a member. He may have been at one time, but you yourself have admitted he is no longer.
In short, you just shot yourself in the foot. Congratulations.
posted by C-C-G at November 2, 2008 03:02 PMNot even an illegal alien, the aunt is a step beyond that. She's a fugitive alien! That is, she's an alien who's permission to be in the US has been denied by a judge.
"Red, I note two words... 'until 2002.' Therefore you cannot say he is a member. He may have been at one time, but you yourself have admitted he is no longer. In short, you just shot yourself in the foot. Congratulations."
It's pathetic that you feel like you're scoring points.
As you know, the point is that his association with that group was unAmerican. How much more contempt could he show for the US? If you're okay with it, that's your sorry business, but call it what it is.
posted by Red Phantom at November 2, 2008 09:20 PMPhantom:
You have NO clue as to what you lefties dream of... throughout history it's been proven again and again that those who dream socialist dreams are usually the first put against the wall when it comes time to execute the 'Bourgeois' of whatever curreent neo-socialist movement that went on...
Its too funny that Ayers and his kind seemed to ignore... well granted they blindly went with the idea that 'revolution' and 'change' might have some issues that they themselves either were unable or unwilling to examine... the fact remains that Stalin refered to losers like Obama and Ayers and that entire psuedointellectual group of malajusted retards as "Useful Idiots" who, when the time was right, were eliminated with extreme prejudice thusly eliminating another group of 'proles.'
The scary part is that in instituting a 'socialist' model, a certain amount of bloodshed is needed. Not since 1865 +/- have we had a true 'civil war' and yet the Dems and Libtards are and have ACTIVELY been threatening a 'race war' over this, and the Obamamessiah has YET to step down from his 'heavenly embrace' and tell them to sit the F down and shut the F up.
The sad reality is that the college students that are so actively trying to get this socialist into power don't understand, that from his point of view, is that THEY are the enemy of which he speaks... that being the majority being white, educated, and 'priviledged' in being in college and being able to afford it. These are the first group, that come the success of 'change' are the first put against the wall, or shoved into the ovens and camps.
The Obamamessiahs OBVIOUS and INTENTIONAL ignoring of his family memebers in plight do not bode well for the rest of America... after all, if he doesn't give a sh*t about his own flesh and blood, and is willing to let them 'swing in the breeze' so to speak, then how, exactly, is he going to care for you and yours?
Scary Reality isn't it?
posted by Big Country at November 2, 2008 10:05 PMOH PLEASE DEPORT HER AND THE BIMBO BORN IN KENYA, LETS KEEP AMERICA ALIVE!! GO JOHNNY GO !
posted by gord at November 2, 2008 11:09 PMBig Country -- "You have NO clue as to what you lefties dream of..."
... and it just goes downhill from there. I'm not sure why you addressed that rant to me.
Socialism is, by definition, state ownership of the means of production. For instance, our government recently buying a piece of the banking system was socialist. Obama has proposed nothing of this sort.
Obama wants the wealthy to pay more tax. That has nothing to do with socialism. Look it up. It's okay to disagree with him, but don't call it socialism.
I will lay 90 percent of the blame at the feet of the mainstream media. If they would have done reports of Obama showing some of his years in college, his time at the Harvard Law Review, a small amount of true facts about his beliefs, and a short list of some of his criminal friends, this election would be much different. I personally don't believe he is even remotely qualified to be President. This is a good time to buy gold and pray.
posted by Patriot at November 3, 2008 12:48 AMRed Phantom: Point well taken on the Government getting into the banking system and you're right. We've been steadily inching towards a socialistic society for quite some time. Proof positive is that the "Conservative" nominee is responsible for the abomination of McCain/Feingold, agrees with the bailout, and is trying to "out Democrat" the Democrat on many social issues by big government answers. The Government officials feel quite comfortable telling taxpayers what to eat, what to smoke, how to run businesses, what to teach, who gets what and when, and it goes on and on and it has penalties for each and every one of them. "If it walks like a duck...." I live from paycheck to paycheck but even I realize that I use the roads, bridges, military, federal law enforcement, tourist attractions, and so on that the rich already pay for. I want them to get richer so they can give me work so I can get rich and when a politician wants to "spread their wealth" more than they already do (over 86% of all taxes)and give it to someone who pays nothing then that's a socialist. It is in essence: redistribution and that's the socialist mantra and using the government to do it is no different than Cuba or Venezuela except they don't disguise it.
posted by Dave B at November 3, 2008 04:24 AMHow much more contempt could he show for the US?
Oh, I dunno, he could have sat for twenty years in a church where the pastor screamed "God D**n America!" and stayed there until just this year.
Todd left that party six years ago. He clearly didn't do it in preparation for--or in response to--his wife's elevation to the national stage. On the other hand, Barack Wright Obama stayed in that church until it became politically inconvenient for him to do so.
I think it's time for you to stop and change the air in your head.
posted by C-C-G at November 3, 2008 08:18 AMRed:
Obama wants the wealthy to pay more tax. That has nothing to do with socialism. Look it up.
Look up who said "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
You've just proven your idiocy again. Don't you get tired of being shown that you have no idea what you're talking about?
posted by C-C-G at November 3, 2008 08:39 AM"... and it just goes downhill from there. I'm not sure why you addressed that rant to me."
Well, lets see. You didn't touch NOT ONE of my points that its the useful idjits like yourself, who filled with the promise of "Hopechangeyness" and a desperate derangement against the Bush League will be among the first group 'sorted out' after having disposed of the hated right wing. As the old mantra "First the came for the ___" and all that. The thing is socialism is flat out using governmental force to place pressure by whatever means to accomplish whatever mission it deems necessary.
"Socialism is, by definition, state ownership of the means of production. For instance, our government recently buying a piece of the banking system was socialist. Obama has proposed nothing of this sort."
The Obamamessiah most certainly DID assist with the odious legislation. He may not have thought of it, but he sure as hell insured that it would pass second time around.
"Obama wants the wealthy to pay more tax. That has nothing to do with socialism. Look it up. It's okay to disagree with him, but don't call it socialism."
I'll leave C-C-G's fantastic response stand on this addled quote. I still leave it to you: Why is it those who would lose the most support the one candidate who both by action and spoken word has sworn to destroy if not eliminate the very things that provide a good living to them?
Its like the threatened 'riots' that have been promised in minority communities... the deranged poor people in those areas never seem to run out to a middle class or upper class nieghborhood and burn it... they just burn their pitiful dwellings to the ground and then expect those very same people they were 'protesting' to rebuild and furnish those same dwellings, although how burning your own stuff and destroying your dwelling constitutes a protest against "the man" is something that is beyond me....
posted by Big Country at November 3, 2008 08:54 AMC-C-G: "he could have sat for twenty years in a church where the pastor screamed 'God D**n America!'"
Read the text of the speech, it's all about the role of blacks in this country and how they've faired under various presidents. "G-D America" is a statement of frustration about what he sees as injustice towards blacks and even Japanese during WWII. There's a huge difference between criticism and anti-Americanism. If you think the the speech is wrong, fine. It's dumb to infer that Obama is anti-American based on remarks his spiritual advisor made about race.
Obama's a constitutional scholar. He's a classic American success story. He could have been very rich right out of law school but instead worked towards what he sees as improving the nation.
On the other hand, Todd Palin joining the Alaskan Separatist Party is traitorous. If you don't love this country, get out. If he's repented I haven't heard about it.
"Look up who said 'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.'"
Socialism is by definition the collective ownership of the means of production. You can argue about this until you are blue in the face, but that's what the dictionary and every econ 101 class says.
Most presidents make changes to the tax code, and each such change redistributes wealth. Everyone making under $250,000 gets a tax cut under Obama, whereas McCain wants to extend Bush's tax cuts on the wealthy. Both redistribute wealth, neither is socialism.
Big Country -- "You didn't touch NOT ONE of my points... " I didn't touch not one of your points? To be frank, I can't understand parts of your posts. Riots? Sorting people out?
"The thing is socialism is flat out using governmental force to place pressure by whatever means to accomplish whatever mission it deems necessary."
No, socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production. It has always meant that. Your side uses it as a vague slur against Obama but it makes no sense. I don't know what your problem with Obama is exactly, but he's a capitalist just like everyone else. I've never even met a socialist. It's a dying movement.
"The Obamamessiah most certainly DID assist with the odious legislation [the bank bailout]"
Fair enough. I didn't like it either, but as they say there are no atheists in foxholes and no libertarians in a financial crisis. I guess if I were a politician and I was convinced that a systemic financial meltdown was at hand I'd have done the same thing. I'd be much happier if the bill eliminated bonuses for all executives that received the bailout.
posted by Red Phantom at November 3, 2008 01:21 PMHey..I understand your frustration..
After 2004 I shouted out.."How can you idiots have voted for Bush!"
All you can do is what I (we) did. Don't give up.
Realize you did not give enough personal time the last time. Find candidates you believe in and put your feet on the ground and make calls.
In 2010 your personal effort that you did not make this time can be the difference...
If as individuals, we are not willing to put our own personal effort(voting and signs in our yard do not count)then we truly don't believe in what we say we believe in..
(That is why Bush won in 2004 and Obama will win this time)
CCG
Yep I banned from wizbang..
for years I respected Jay Tea as a Libertarian with a sense of humor..I took exception to a clearly racist remak...
Just for the record.. CCG..under what name do you post at wizbang?
What is a troll?
Is a blog like that secret club we had has kids?
Can't we be mature enough to hear criticism?
Aren't we confident and well versed enough..that when someone(like me) shows up..I can be refuted
by reason?
..side bet..
I will wager if Obama gets less than 320 EV I will donate $50 to the RNC...If he gets more,; the person making the bet donates $50 to the DNC...
one thing we can agree on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqUipinDyw
Red, apparently you don't care what the creator of Socialism had to say about it.
You've got your mind made up, and are deliberately ignoring the facts.
Except for using you as a cat-toy occasionally, I am done trying to have a reasonable discussion with you.
posted by C-C-G at November 3, 2008 08:03 PMCCG: "apparently you don't care what the creator of Socialism had to say about it. You've got your mind made up, and are deliberately ignoring the facts."
Socialism is "the collective ownership of the means of production" and now you know it too. You've effectively ceded the point. Time's up. Back to the Star Wars figurines for you young man.
posted by Red Phantom at November 3, 2008 10:33 PM« Hide Comments
October 31, 2008
Paint This One Purple
Polls show a tightening race as we enter the last days of the campaign, and I'm becoming ever more convinced that the American people are going to dodge a bullet and elect John McCain as President of the United States.
Before going to the polls, Americans are going to closely look at Barack Obama's empty rhetoric, weigh it against his too-brief résumé and choice of extremist allies, and decide that he simply isn't ready for office. Indeed, America may never be ready to give up on our way of life for the miserable shackles of statism that he promises.
John McCain is not an ideal candidate for many Americans. He's too much of a moderate for conservatives. He's too much of a conservative for liberals. He won't make either extreme happy. But for those Americans who don't live and breathe politics, and who want a President to keep us safe and keep an always hungry government from getting in the way of our drive to succeed, he is by far the best option we have in this election.
John McCain has dedicated a lifetime of service to this nation, and asks us if he can dedicate four more years. He doesn't demand it. He doesn't assume that he is owed it. He is simply asking us to vote for him.
I did, on a split ticket.
A lot of other Americans from both major parties will do the same, along with many moderates. Why?
A moderate Republican President will be the only balance we have to a House and Senate controlled by the far left.
If America chose to elect Barack Obama, they'll be electing a man that the National Journal ranked as the most extreme Senator in office, to left of even Vermont's Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders.
Elevated from one of the most unpopular Congresses in American history, a President Obama would rubber-stamp the decisions of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Are you ready for an America led by San Francisco, Las Vegas, and Hyde Park values?
Americans need John McCain as President, because what is best for America is a balanced government, neither red, nor blue, but overall, purple.
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Wishful thinking on your part, I'm afraid, driven by the common mistake of thinking other people pay attention and view the issues as you do (for instance, most voters couldn't tell you, nor would they care, that Obama was ranked the most liberal).
There is no evidence that voters are going to closely look at Obama, nor any reason to think that those who do will react negatively. Neither is there a reason to think that voters consider McCain the best option; Obama being ahead in the polls is evidence that most votes don't consider McCain the best option.
posted by steve sturm at October 31, 2008 12:05 PMCY: I agree with you, though I don't believe that the average voter will think along these lines. Instead, I think the constant drone of negative polling results has turned McCain into an underdog, and the average undecided voter likes cheering on the underdog -- thus breaking for McCain. McCain wins with a razor thin popular vote and electoral margin.
For me, I just want to play a drinking game where every time a pundit says "racism" or "this isn't what the polls told us," it's time for another shot.
I should be staggering drunk by 9:00pm Election Night.
posted by W-K-B at October 31, 2008 01:24 PMIn either case I'm pretty sanguine. McCain campaigns far to the right of his record. So does Obama. So does every aspiring Democrat looking to knock off an incumbent of whatever party. The rhetoric of class struggle and entitlement seems quite dead while the reality of entitlement grows. Odd. Except that we know that the vast majority of folks give nearly NO attention to politics. Barry can run as a tax-cutter and deficit hawk while planning a new Greater Society. That cannot work and if it cannot, it will not. Finally Americans will get some real exposure to socialist realities. They will not like it. McCain is a late bloomer on many issues dear to the Righties. Is he a convert or, like Barry, saying what sells? In any case reality will intrude and sooner, not later. Even Hawaii could not make single payer healthcare for just children work. It was abandoned after just 7 months. The grandiose schemes of Obama or McCain, if he has them, will suffer likewise. One thing you never have to worry about with socialism is success.
posted by megapotamus at October 31, 2008 02:11 PMIt would be nice if you were right, but I'm not counting on it. I've pretty much resigned myself to a repeat of the Carter years at this point. If I turn out to be wrong, great -- but the conversations I've had with people recently suggest that most Americans don't follow politics in any depth beyond what they see on the T.V. news. And given that fact, they won't know ANY of the several good reasons not to vote for Obama.
Note that I'm not letting pessimism discourage me from doing my part. I've already voted in early voting in my district. (Yes, I voted for McCain). And you should too, whoever you are reading this -- don't let pessimism keep you from the polls. But I just don't think we're going to pull this one off, given how thoroughly the MSM has covered for Obama. :-(
posted by Robin Munn at October 31, 2008 02:29 PMAs often happens..our neighbors celebrated the birth of their baby...
As often happens there is a gathering of family and friends. It just happens that the father is a naturalized citizen from India, and his wife is a direct decedent of slaves...
But...their baby is as cute as any baby.
I had the opportunity to talk with the mother's great-grandmother ...who was 85.
She understood how difficult is was to vote for a President of a different race. She had been doing it all her life. but she also said..
"If I can get over that..so can others."
As children we are often afraid of what is under the bed...or in the closet..then we come to realize...our fears are misplaced//
We are adult now...
Can you move beyond childhood fears?
If it were not for Palin, I would not even vote in the coming election.
As it is, I will be pulling the big R at the top of the ballot.
nogopostal, I am sorry--truly very sorry--that you have been unable to move beyond your own racism, but is it necessary to project your inadequacies and biases onto others?
I agree with you CY. I think McVain has a chance to win. Like 1sttofight, I will be voting for Palin.
posted by feeblemind at October 31, 2008 04:27 PMI think that Joe the Plumber may have given the election to McCain with the concept of share the wealth.
In addition, people are discounting the residual in the US. I know for certain that a number of nursing home individuals who haven't voted in years are making the effort to get to the polls even if it kills them and the only reason is race. You might consider this wrong but Obama has played every card in the deck and has started the concept of class war.
posted by David Caskey at October 31, 2008 05:19 PMIf some neanderthals vote for McCain due to race I can live with it because it is beyond a certainty that millions of people are voting FOR Obama because of it. But I'm also tired of people using this as some kind of cudgel. Especially those morons Rendell and Murtha in Pennsylvania. You'd think Fast Eddie would be especially hesitant since the people he's pointing his finger at pulled the lever for Lynn Swann against him.
posted by scott at October 31, 2008 05:30 PMAwww............
Nogopostal, that was so sweet. Did you make that up by yourself? Or did the Obama campaign just tell you to post it?
Seminar Blog Commenter alert!
Bob, this means they fear you, and us!
posted by Bill Smith at October 31, 2008 05:31 PM"Obama being ahead in the polls is evidence that most votes don't consider McCain the best option."
Wow, aren't you a genius? What you're trying to do, as a loyal Obamaton, is depress the vote on our side -- nice try. Undecideds will go for McCain, and in significant numbers too:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/30/AR2008103004365_pf.html
posted by Richard Romano at October 31, 2008 07:08 PMObama being ahead in the polls is evidence that most votes don't consider McCain the best option.
Then why did Obama underperform his poll numbers by as much as 8 points in the primaries?
Maybe the polls aren't really the predictor your wild Obamamania fantasies would have it.
posted by C-C-G at October 31, 2008 08:24 PMThe entire world demands that Barack Hussein Obama be the next President of the United States.
If the racists and Islamophobes steal this election, they will suffer the consequences of their actions.
The long struggle is at an end. Renounce your false religions. Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the will of Almighty Allah (swt).
Your grandchildren will be Muslim.
Allahu akbar!
Hey American Muslim,
Have you guys ever lost an election you DIDN'T claim was stolen?
posted by Bill Smith at October 31, 2008 09:54 PMNo, what is best for America is NOT a balanced government. What is best for America is government filled with men and women who are dedicated to preserving our personal liberties and national security. In other words, America needs a government with as many Republicans as possible--and I'm not talkin' RINOs.
posted by Don, the Rebel without a Blog at October 31, 2008 10:16 PMDon't believe all the marxist propoganda the MSM is touting. It's all smoke and mirrors. It's like saying "Resistance is futile" so why bother. GO VOTE for McCain/Palin! Defeat the marxists and Islamic Jihadists. God has given you the liberty to vote. Sober up! This isn't a time to sulk in your beer but get up and resist the highjacking of our country. They played the same nasty game in the last election. This is the ultimate 9/11 if Barack Hussien Obama gets into office of the POTUS. Like the patriotic people of flight 93 resisted let's get up and vote and this in droves my fellow American people. Vote NOBAMA! Vote NO to every Socialistcrat trying to get back into office or is new on the scene. Their brand is seen on the sleeve of their marxist canidate which is godless and seething with hatred against this nation as founded by our fore fathers. Have no doubt this man will chum with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Russia, North Korea, China, Cuba, Venezuela and every radical group that's out there who hates the USA just as much as he does. Barack Hussien Obama is NOT JIMMY CARTER. He is far and away to the left of him. This guy sought after the likes of William Ayers and Rashid Khalidi and Jeremiah Wright. This guy was promoted into politics by William Ayers and it wasn't because he was "the nice neighbor down the street" but because he was like minded and a perfect demagogue to front their collective radical groups into office. Their not shy about openly calling themselves radical marxists and anarchists and jihadists nor ashamed of wanting to destroy the USA and Israel for good and laboring tirelessly for it. They're bringing down our education system, they're sabotaging our economy, they're infiltrating our goverment, they're in our churches. There is absolute zero morales with them and will do what it takes to hold power once seated. This isn't just another election. GO VOTE WHY YOU STILL CAN!
posted by TonyUSA at October 31, 2008 11:21 PMBill,
Look at the email for american muslim, am@nowhere.com. Even just reading his post it was an obvious parady. Actually a pretty good one, IMO.
posted by Tempus at November 1, 2008 06:50 AMOur President is responsible for the defense and welfare of the nation. He wields enormous power and makes important decisions when no one is watching. We have a right to judge a Presidential candidate based on our level of trust and our faith in his integrity.
In my view, Barack Hussein Obama will do whatever he can to advance his personal ambition. He breaks the rules if he can get away with it. His word is worthless.
McCain's integrity runs off the page. I'm voting McCain-Palin
With over 70% of those polled refusing to answer any questions, it is reasonable to ask just how accurate these polling numbers reflect real voter intent.
Historically, conservatives were more likely than lefties to refuse to be polled. Getting a handle on that percentage currently is rather hard, since the people refuse to respond! Stories about McCain supporters being hounded by the press, assaulted by crazy Obama supporters, and persecuted by government officials doesn't help to increase the participation of conservatives either.
So it seems extremely likely that these trends might have Obama with as much as 7 fewer points in many states. And the concerted effort by Obama campaign and the press (but I repeat myself) to dispirit Republicans by skewing polls also would lead me to disbelieve the current poll numbers.
OTOH, maybe some of these poll numbers are based the Obama campaign adding a million fraudulent voters to the rolls...
posted by iconoclast at November 1, 2008 11:51 AMIcono, let me share this bit from National Review Online (largely quoting Iowahawk) about just how un-scientific polling is:
You take a simple random sample of 1000 balls from an urn containing 120,000,000 red and blue balls, and your sample shows 450 red balls and 550 blue balls. Construct a 95% confidence interval for the true proportion of blue balls in the urn.…Works pretty well if you’re interested in hypothetical colored balls in hypothetical giant urns, or survival rates of plants in a controlled experiment, or defects in a batch of factory products. It may even work well if you’re interested in blind cola taste tests. But what if the thing you are studying doesn’t quite fit the balls & urns template?
* What if 40% of the balls have personally chosen to live in an urn that you legally can’t stick your hand into?
* What if 50% of the balls who live in the legal urn explicitly refuse to let you select them?
* What if the balls inside the urn are constantly interacting and talking and arguing with each other, and can decide to change their color on a whim?
* What if you have to rely on the balls to report their own color, and some unknown number are probably lying to you?
* What if you’ve been hired to count balls by a company who has endorsed blue as their favorite color?
* What if you have outsourced the urn-ball counting to part-time temp balls, most of whom happen to be blue?
* What if the balls inside the urn are listening to you counting out there, and it affects whether they want to be counted, and/or which color they want to be?(And what, I wonder, if all around you, every day, you are told by all of the coolest, hippest, prettiest balls that your color is mean, irrelevant, unpopular, un-cool, evil, old, incompetent and probably racist? Would you stick to your guns in the face of that, or keep your mouth shut and show ‘em when the curtain closes?)
I can't explain it better than that. And that's why, though I may take note of polls from time to time, I don't put a lot of stock in them.
posted by C-C-G at November 1, 2008 12:21 PMExactly, CCG. More correctly, there is little reason to believe the distributions of those refusing to be sampled matches the distributions of those willing to be sampled. Add in agitprop efforts from the Obama campaign hoping to use poll results as a way to depress McCain voter turnout with a liberal dash of press bias and you have a set of very unreliable results.
I think McCain is definitely in range of winning right now. Palin has really fired up the base and McCain--no matter how uninspiring and occasionally disappointing he can be--is anything but a quitter. I like what I see in both McCain and Palin as they have fought for the right to be elected. It compares very favorably to the increasingly reclusive and angry behavior of Obama and Biden.
posted by iconoclast at November 1, 2008 01:16 PMAre you ready for eight years of Obama? Yes?
You're voting for Obama? Cool!
A vote for Obama is a vote for:
1. The war against "negative" liberties
2. A Heavier Tax Burden (for everyone)
3. Marxism & Socialism
4. Obama's Unsavory Friends
5. Unchecked Beltway Power
6. Disdain
7. A Charismatic Demagogue
8. 143 Days of pre-campaign Senate Experience
9. A Bonehead (paraphrased from Obama himself)
*Final Note: Obama is ahead in the polls. Sitting out the election is a vote for Obama. You don't even have to get out of your chair to help Obama win!
rightklik.blogspot.com
Jason
Another pair of reasons to vote for Obama:
1. We get a cool new paramilitary internal security force equal in strength and funding to the US Military. Love those brown shirts!
2. We get pay billions more for bogus green energy efforts while bankrupting coal and nuclear. Love shivering in the dark while I wait for my government check!
posted by iconoclast at November 2, 2008 09:58 AMYou have to read this blog:
http://stolenthunder.blogspot.com/
He analyzes the polls according to historical norms, not pie in the sky assumptions that the pollsters are doing this year...don't forget, pollsters have CLIENTS who pay them, so when you see NYT/Rasmussen poll, you can take that poll with a grain of salt.
Anyway, the analyst in the link above PROVES his numbers against historical turnout norms, and early voting exit polls show that turnout ratios this year are very similar to 2004 ratios. Yes, those youth voters that NEVER turn up at the polls aren't turning up this year too, at least not in the groundswell necessary for them to offset the PUMA's and the pissed off republicans.
The blacks are turning out higher than they did in previous elections, but increasing a 90% vote to 92% vote for an electorate that's only 20% of the voting population doesn't add all that many voters to BHO's numbers.
IT ALL COMES DOWN TURNOUT! BHO's strategy was to reduce the spirit of the conservative base, and with the selection of Palin, the older and wiser McCain threw them for a loop; she rallied the base and gave them hope for the future and they are booking on 4 years from now as she uses the VP to give her experience on the national stage.
So, just go VOTE and things will go our way!
posted by EJ at November 2, 2008 05:37 PMThe only people I know who are voting for Obama are Lawyers. Theirs wives, friends, others, are not voting for him, but most likey for McCain.
This concerns me when many lawyers express so much desire to stick two never-done-much-of-anything lawyers into a very high office.
As an engineer, I would not vote for someone just because they had a technical bakground. We probably need more people with technical backgrounds as too many lawyers have been in office.
posted by jw at November 3, 2008 04:17 PMInteresting thoughts on the coming election. I have a different thought on each candidate and how their actual plans would help the current and future crisis.
I believe I have not heard any mention from posters as to their personal thoughts on these subjects, but rather, comments based on rhetoric minus any facts. I get the impresion that most, or all, on this sight are well educated and would prefer facts from fiction, in making such a decision that would impact the whole country as well as ourselves.
See this election is about my daughters and their kids, not about me. I have worked long and hard to support my family and country, as most, and would like my country to return the favor, as I have.
I do not need a hand out, that is not what I am suggesting, but rather in representing my family to the world. It is no secret that our standing in the world has changed dramaticly, we have exposed our weaknesses internationally, and it's time to shift the focus domesticly.
I believe that in order for this to happen, we need diplomacy, not the military, in order to achieve any kind of success.
We will no longer be safe, 9/11 has shown us this, and the false illusion and belief that we can overpower to achieve this, is proving false. We succeed in only making things worse, by imposing our might on others, in the way that it was done. This will not gain respect of our friends or allies, only distance the ground between us.
posted by JW at November 3, 2008 11:56 PMEJ
I would take the time to take apart your inane argument, but instead I will let the election results do it for me.
That being said, though there are a lot of really ridiculous claims on this website, there is also a lot of well reasoned argument.
As a liberal (be warned this may be my vegetative state getting the best of me) I believe Obama will really reach out to Republicans despite having a majority in the house and senate. You wont see him claim that he has political capital and he intends to use it ( a la W).
Anyway, I know a lot of people who visit this site are likely going to be pretty mad tomorrow. Be mad, but then please try and encourage cooperation. Here is one liberal who hopes to work with you.
I can't wish your party good luck tomorrow, but I can wish you well.
posted by BJ at November 4, 2008 03:21 AMThis is coming from the middle. I consider myself a moderate that leans towards TRUE conservatism and TRUE fiscal responsibility.
If McCain had not picked Sarah Palin, I could've
taken him seriously. With that choice, I no longer can. He is clearly pandering to the religious base, which I personally think give the Republicans a bad name. Who can argue with political conservatism? No one. Its when you get the social conservatives or "theocons" in the mix that you alienate good people.
I voted for Barack Hussein Obama this morning and was happy to do so. Sarah Palin erased any doubts of my vote for Obama.
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Dissent Not Tolerated: Reporters Thrown Off Obama's Plane
Drudge is running this at the top of the page. As he doesn't keep permalinks like blogs, I'm replicating the whole thing below.
PURGE: SKEPTICAL REPORTERS TOSSED OFF OBAMA PLANE Fri Oct 31 2008 08:39:55 ETNY POST, DALLAS MORNING NEWS, WASHINGTON TIMES TOLD TO GET OUT... ALL 3 ENDORSED MCCAIN
**Exclusive**
The Obama campaign has decided to heave out three newspapers from its plane for the final days of its blitz across battleground states -- and all three endorsed Sen. John McCain for president!
The NY POST, WASHINGTON TIMES and DALLAS MORNING NEWS have all been told to move out by Sunday to make room for network bigwigs -- and possibly for the inclusion of reporters from two black magazines, ESSENCE and JET, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
Despite pleas from top editors of the three newspapers that have covered the campaign for months at extraordinary cost, the Obama campaign says their reporters -- and possibly others -- will have to vacate their coveted seats so more power players can document the final days of Sen. Barack Obama's historic campaign to become the first black American president.
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Some told the DRUDGE REPORT that the reporters are being ousted to bring on documentary film-makers to record the final days; others expect to see on board more sympathetic members of the media, including the NY TIMES' Maureen Dowd, who once complained that she was barred from McCain's Straight Talk Express airplane.
After a week of quiet but desperate behind-the-scenes negotiations, the reporters of the three papers heard last night that they were definitely off for the final swing. They are already planning how to cover the final days by flying commercial or driving from event to event.
Developing...
I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Either Drudge's scoop is wrong, or the Obama campaign is so supremely arrogant that it thinks it can act in such a condescending manner right before the election and not pay a political price. Within the past week, the Obama campaign punished two local television stations by cutting access to them after hard interviews. By tossing these major newspapers, it seems he is willing to take his intolerance to the next level.
The mainstream media has been handling Barack Obama with kid gloves this entire election. Now, when it is almost too late, they are discovering—to their horror, I'm sure—that the man they coddled thinks nothing of them if they aren't his cheerleaders. They are now discovering that he will angrily, impulsively freeze them out if their news organizations aren't sycophants.
The media often complained that Bush often froze them out, but Bush never threw legitimate news organizations to the side for their criticism, bringing in soft news infotainment magazines like Essence and Jet to replace them.
This sets a new standard of displayed political contempt for the media, but you can't say they didn't earn it.
Update: The Washington Times angrily confirms:
The Washington Times, which has covered the Barack Obama campaign from the start, was kicked off the Democrat's campaign plane for the final 72 hours of the race.The Obama campaign informed the newspaper Thursday evening of its decision, which came two days after the Times editorial page endorsed Senator John McCain over Mr. Obama. The Times editorial page runs completely independent of the news department.
"This feels like the journalistic equivalent of redistributing the wealth, we spent hundreds of thousands of dollars covering Senator Obama's campaign, traveling on his plane, and taking our turn in the reporter's pool, only to have our seat given away to someone else in the last days of the campaign," said Washington Times Executive Editor John Solomon.
"I hope the candidate that promises to unite America isn't using a litmus test to determine who gets to cover his campaign."
Of course he is.
Now, imagine what it is going to be like if he somehow wins the Presidency.
Fox News has more.
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This won't generate a ripple. No one cared about cutting off the tv stations for asking hard questions, no one cares about kicking off three relatively minor (to the elite) papers from the plane at this late date.
Expect the same treatment at White House press conferences. Obama won't put up with a critical version of Helen Thomas. I doubt the IBD, Post, Times, etc. will lose their seats.
posted by iconoclast at October 31, 2008 09:18 AMLure voters with the promise of free pies for everyone. Dictators have done this since the beginning of time.
posted by bill-tb at October 31, 2008 09:23 AMIf Obama wins is will be the era of the New Hitler. If you are waiting for a free check you will wait along time cause it will first go in his pocket. He is corrupt and we in Chicago know it. Dumb sheep being led wake up.
posted by sandi at October 31, 2008 09:28 AMKind of like McCain kicking out actual supporters at a rally who didn't look right, both sides do this.
posted by Sid at October 31, 2008 09:50 AMobama is the new hitler
posted by sandi at October 31, 2008 10:04 AMyou tell em!
i remember well your outrage when McCain banned Joe Klein from his plane. man, you really laid into McCain over that!
posted by Outrageous at October 31, 2008 10:06 AMzig hyle hitler obama
posted by sandi at October 31, 2008 10:19 AMDallas Morning News confirms:
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/the-dallas-morning-news-and-th.html
posted by Chris at October 31, 2008 12:07 PMSid, got a link to a story about McCain kicking people out?... and not one on DailyKOS, DemocraticUnderground, or a similar lefty site?
posted by C-C-G at October 31, 2008 06:01 PMMcCain kicked Dallas Morning News out for a week too. Maybe it's the paper, and not Obama.
And McCain's campaign kicked out the New York Times.
posted by Alex at October 31, 2008 06:49 PMLinks, Alex? Or are you just spreading rumors around to try to smear McCain with some of Barack Crybaby Obama's idiocy in kicking out dissenting voices?
posted by C-C-G at October 31, 2008 07:01 PMI'm white and somehow received a complimentary subscription to Essence magazine some years ago.
I looked at the fashion section (the only subject in the entire magazine applicable to me). An article entitled "something akin to" "White Women Hold Black Women in the Business World caught my eye. I read as much as I could stomach. It was racist and filled with hate. It's obvious why "O" prefers they cover the remaining days of his campaign.
The Obama Equation
Solve this problem
Democratic President + Democratic Senate + Democratic House of Representatives + Democratic Media = ???
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The Troops Support McCain
According to Fox News, this video is the most popular election-related clip on YouTube, with more than 11 million views.
The individual message seems to reflect the overwhelming view of every branch of the U.S. military, active-duty and veterans. They trust John McCain on the issues. They trust John McCain to keep our families safe, and to act in their best interests.
For that matter, even Iraqis prefer John McCain.
Barack Obama?
Not so much.
Update: Another veteran worries about Obama, calling him "Carter on steroids."
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Our fighting men and women are smart.
Great video, that I am afraid Democrats wouldn't understand.
posted by bill-tb at October 31, 2008 07:17 AMOf course.
Barney Frank (D-Fannie and Freddie) let the cat out of the bag when he said he wants to cut the military by 25%.
Since a very large chunk of military expenditures are actually for payroll for the troops, that means that if Barack Appeasement Obama get into office, a lot of these people will lose their jobs.
Somehow, I don't think that's the kind of unemployment that will bother the lefties.
posted by C-C-G at October 31, 2008 07:24 AMIt's no longer available on You Tube as of 0837 31 Oct. What's going on?
posted by Dave at October 31, 2008 07:37 AMI haven't made a video (rumors of being 'butt ugly' notwithstanding) - but this 24 year veteran has some similar sentiments, that I wrote about here.
posted by Wind Rider at October 31, 2008 08:09 AMMy son is an active duty Marine (leaving for Afghanistan sometime in the next two weeks) and he told me he didn't know of ONE Marine who planned to vote for O!bama.
Voters who are still undecided are clearly turned off by attempts to demonize either candidate. See the YouTube video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpsdKUQ1nKA
for one person’s perspective on how you can make a reasoned, thoughtful decision to support Obama AND vote for John McCain. Feel
Regards,
Dan
Obama is ahead in the polls. Sitting out the election is a vote for Obama. You don't even have to get out of your chair to help Obama win!
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posted by Jason at November 2, 2008 05:59 AMFunny, isn't it? The two things that John McCain's combat and POW experience should have qualified him for is to act as a leader on Veteran's and POW/MIA issues. He seems to have failed miserably in both repects as judged by organisations that really represent these groups. In fact it's not funny at all. A rather sad old man really.
posted by funkydoowopper at November 4, 2008 08:55 AM"Funny, isn't it? The two things that John McCain's combat and POW experience should have qualified him for is to act as a leader on Veteran's and POW/MIA issues. He seems to have failed miserably in both repects as judged by organisations that really represent these groups. In fact it's not funny at all. A rather sad old man really."
Funny isn't it? That you talk about organizations that "really represent these groups." yet don't bother to name what orgs. these might be. I don't know about these alleged groups, but I do know that McCain has succeeded admirably as judged by the actual members of said groups, as 70% of military personell support McCain over Obama.
In fact it's not funny at all. Just more sad old lying liberal propaganda, really.
posted by Todd at November 4, 2008 11:40 AMA correction to my previous post
This line:
I don't know about these alleged groups
Should be:
I don't know about these alleged organizations
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October 30, 2008
Have You Saved an Obama Today?
First there was half-brother George Obama, living in shame in a Kenyan shanty town on $12 a year, and you were able to help.
Today, Barack Obama's long lost aunt has been found living in poverty somewhere far worse than the slums of Huruma on the outskirts of Nairobi.
Yes, Barack Obama's aunt Zeituni Onyango is living in public housing in South Boston:
Barack Obama has lived one version of the American Dream that has taken him to the steps of the White House. But a few miles from where the Democratic presidential candidate studied at Harvard, his Kenyan aunt and uncle, immigrants living in modest circumstances in Boston, have a contrasting American story.Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama's best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father, lives in a disabled-access flat on a rundown public housing estate in South Boston.
His "Uncle Omar" faired even worse:
A second relative believed to be the long-lost "Uncle Omar" described in the book was beaten by armed robbers with a "sawed-off rifle" while working in a corner shop in the Dorchester area of the city. He was later evicted from his one-bedroom flat for failing to pay $2,324.20 (£1,488) arrears, according to the Boston Housing Court.
It's up to you to feed, clothe, and house these Obamas, America.
Because when it comes to "spreading the wealth around," Barack Obama obviously wasn't talking about his.
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I think this is Queen Michelle's fault. Michelle, the $300K+ salaried quid pro quo executive, orders several lobsters for an afternoon snack while Barry's family lives in squalor? Barry's little plaything is chased off to the Martinique while Michelle wears the pants and pushes Barry around?
Crap. Are we about to elect another henpecked Casper Milquetoast? No wonder the liberal chicks and effeminate men dig Obama while the Joe the Plumber types are found so distasteful. Obama's the Sitzpinkler Candidate.
posted by redherkey at October 30, 2008 08:43 AMI got a feeling pants is not the only thing she straps on in that family.
The classiest thing about all this..and specifically the Aunt????...well this lil' gem:
http://www.bobkrumm.com/blog/?p=2041
"Speaking outside her home in Flaherty Way, South Boston, on Tuesday, Ms Onyango, 56, confirmed she was the “Auntie Zeituni” in Mr Obama’s memoir. She declined to answer most other questions about her relationship with the presidential contender until after the November 4 election. “I can’t talk about it, I just pray for him, that’s all,” she said, adding: “After the 4th, I can talk to anyone."
Keep stayin' classy O!.
posted by markm at October 30, 2008 09:24 AMYou ought to be ashamed, Mr. Confederacy. Whether he's got poor relatives has nothing to do with whether he'll make a better president. This is the same scare tactic that the GOP always closes with, we'll protect you from Willie Horton and under us you won't have to pay the welfare queens.
posted by Red Phantom at October 30, 2008 10:39 AMDamn, Sir:
After reading this, I had to look at the top your website to see if I was still on Jim Treacher's :-)
posted by Paul_In_Houston at October 30, 2008 10:40 AMRedherkey - that "snack" of Michelle's has been shown to be a hoax.
I don't like her either, but repeating false information helps no one... not even the children.
posted by Jeff Shultz at October 30, 2008 10:46 AMRed Phantom,
So it doesn't matter if his relatives live in abject poverty, but it matters if Joe the Plumber has a tax lien?
Nice double standard you got there.
posted by Richard Romano at October 30, 2008 12:50 PMWhile it would be easy for me to condemn Obama for not financially supporting family members, I won't throw the first stone on this one. I've got family members whose life situation is self-induced and self-selected; money will not cure their problems, only keep them satisfied with the level they've sought. I wouldn't send money to a drug-dealing and addicted half-brother either, regardless of which bridge he was living under. I've other family members to whom I've given thousands of dollars and no one in my family knows it; it's not their business and I'll not have money or jealousy over it between me and my loved ones. Obama's 2 big charities reported to the IRS for tax purposes have been Trinity Church and the Congressional Black Caucus. Both are racist hate groups. That tells me more about Barack Obama than whether he donated to that real "f" word, family.
posted by twolaneflash at October 30, 2008 02:59 PMNo, I'm not giving a dime either.
Obama's got the bucks, it's his family; let him redistribute his own wealth for a change.
posted by Cindi at October 30, 2008 04:55 PMObama InfoCommercial:
What lazy people. Fat and lazy. Period. I worked full time while going to college. My mom worked fulltime raising 12 kids, never on welfare. Saved money, paid in CASH… Not credit. Wear used clothing and worked for a fricken living.. These people in the commerical are not poor. geesh… why doesn’t the mother get rid of her fake nails and walk to the store or sell her car. These people are a bunch of whinners. My parents lived through the depression and NEVER asked for a dime.
posted by sara at October 30, 2008 05:38 PMWow - Dorchester is only a mile or two from the Boston Globe's Morrissey Ave HQ. No wonder it was so easy to find Obama's aunt. What? They didn't find her, it was a British newspaper? Maybe the Globe should recall a couple of reporters from Wasilla and the trash cans in the alley behind Joe the Plumber's house.
posted by Tim at October 30, 2008 06:42 PMBob,
Is there really some way that conservatives could _actually_ help out a discarded Obama relative? Suppose that Right-of-Center blogs raised several thousand dollars to help first that poor fellow in Kenya and then the rest of the Obama clan...that not only would poke a stick in Barak's eye but it might also be the right thing to do.
I hate the government taking my money to support someone, but I gladly give it every week to support someone I know is trying.
posted by Quilly Mammoth at October 31, 2008 12:08 AMTwoLane, I understand what you're saying, but I don't think you understand what Bob (CY) is saying.
Basically, Barack Socialist Obama's "spread the wealth" plan would involve spreading your tax dollars and mine to give to his aunt and uncle, among others, even those whom you say you'd rather not support (and I don't disagree with not supporting folks like that).
Therein lies the hypocrisy of Barack Hypocrite Obama. He'll send your money to people who will not work, and my money, but not his own money.
By the way, and for the record, I have no problem supporting those who are unable to work. However, being disabled myself and still working for a living myself (frequently 6 days a week), I know how many opportunities exist for those who are willing to work, even if disabled. However, if you are able to get a job of some kind, and refuse to, then I don't think I "owe" you a penny.
posted by C-C-G at October 31, 2008 07:31 AMBaldilocks covered this pretty well a couple days ago. Basically, her take is "would you even care about these people, if you didn't have a chance to give Barry a black eye?"
I think that's a fair question.
Casey:
Given that I have signed up at work to give a portion of my paycheck directly to a charity that is dedicated to helping people like this (and work matches me at 50 cents on the dollar), I'd have to say that my answer to your question is "yes."
I guess that trolling tactic failed, Casey. I'd say better luck next time, but I really don't wish you any better luck, and hope there's not a next time.
posted by C-C-G at November 1, 2008 07:12 AMOh, since I answered your question, Casey, you can answer one for me.
Would you (and your buddies in the MoveOnMedia) be more interested in this story if these people if they were related to the McCain or Palin families?
To ask that question is to answer it, especially given the absurd lengths the MoveOnMedia has gone to attack Governor Palin (come on, now, insinuating that her baby isn't hers?).
The difference is, neighbor Casey, that the McCains and the Palins take care of their families, from the little girl brought to the US for a cleft palate operation that was adopted, to the teenage mother-to-be, to the baby with special needs.
And stories like those are why the left so wants to bury this one. Because it shows a stark contrast between McCain, Palin, and the Obamas.
Your trolling expedition has now resulted in more damage to your own side than to mine, Casey. I think it's time for you to retreat.
posted by C-C-G at November 1, 2008 07:32 AMI have no doubt that there are many people who sincerely believe that "spreading the wealth around" promotes the common good and that redistribution somehow makes for a more fair, just and equitable world. Obama is says that he is one of these people. He has famously stated "...I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
Some say that if Obama believes in redistribution, he should be helping his impoverished brother in Kenya, or his poor aunt in Boston. Maybe. But maybe Obama has already tried to help his family. Maybe Obama's family is too proud and independent to accept help. You and I don't know the situation, so let's give Obama the benefit of the doubt. And private charity isn't really the issue here. Obama is not promoting private charity...or at least that's not the thrust of his campaign message. Obama said he wants to improve the world through "redistributive change," and he plans increase taxes and fatten up the U.S. Treasury to make it happen.
So I said, fine Obama, if you can convince a majority of the voters to sign up for these risky schemes, go for it! But then things got more interesting. McCain said, "Nobody likes taxes. Let's not raise anybody's taxes."
"Well, I don't mind paying a little more," Obama responded.
WAIT A MINUTE! He said what?
"...I don't mind paying a little more."
*Wow*
Hey Obama! There's good news. If you really want to pay more, YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW. The United States Treasury will accept your donation. This is no joke. If you need to know more, go to the website.
Obama, this is your chance to lead by example. Make a big deal about it, have a big fancy check-signing photo-op surrounded by smiling celebrities and politicians; heck, you could even invite that Obama Girl. You could show us how much you hate those nasty Bush tax cuts and send an amount equal to what you saved because of those cuts. With the millions you made from your book, I'm sure it would be a lot of money. And while you're at it, you could ask your supporters to send money to the U.S. Treasury instead of sending it to you for your campaign. Haven't you already gotten $600,000,000? Time to start redistributing!
Obama, put your money where your mouth is and make a financial donation to the U.S. Treasury today! You do believe in the things you say, don't you?
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