On CBS.com: Brad fakes a headache
Sign up | Log in

Log in to post and mark posts as watched.

refresh »
  • [-]It's 10:41 pm, and my oldest child (8 yo dd) is still awake. This has been going on for the last 4 nights. She thinks she's going to die in her sleep, or something bad will happen, or her mind is dizzy (her description). She can keep herself up for hours with this stuff. 2.5 hours ago, I was patient, gentle, understanding mom. Now I'm really at my wits end about how to help her. And truth be told, I just want a break. Ideas?

    14 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]
    09.03.08, 07:43 PM [ Flag ]
    • she is nervous about school, very anxious. know it is annoying, but she needs some comfort here

      [ Reply | Options ]
      09.03.08, 07:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • your kid has anxiety, and she needs to feel safe. if it continues, seek help. for now, try distracting her and letting her listen to music. ask her what she needs to go to bed.

      [ Reply | Options ]
      09.03.08, 07:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • yes, i'm sure anxiety is a factor her. she's a highly anxious person in general. i've tried distraction, singing, letting her read. she has no idea what will help her sleep, and says she doesn't want to sleep. i've got a family history of mental illness (bipolar, paranoide schizophrenia) in my birth family (not me), so i really worry about sleep issues.

        [ Reply | Options ]
        09.03.08, 07:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • just let her stay up and lie on the couch reading.

      [ Reply | Options ]
      09.03.08, 07:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • cuddle up on the couch

      [ Reply | Options ]
      09.03.08, 07:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I was extremely anxious growing up and finally now have controleld it. Try relaxation techniques: breathing in thru nose out thru mouth. Try and chunk out the day and find out what it is that's bothering her. Then figure out a plan to get her in control of it. Could be a bully at school or who to eat lunch with and it's affecting her sleep.

      [ Reply | Options ]
      09.03.08, 07:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: We've tried breathing techniques (breath like the ocean, the water goes out and in, etc). I've tried nighttime visualization, meditative tapes, etc, but her problems were less pronounced than they've been lately. Maybe it's worth another try. She isn't really able to sustain any relaxation techniques on her own, and I get really irritable when I have to sit with her for prolonged periods. She isn't in school yet, not til Monday (God help me!).

        [ Reply | Options ]
        09.03.08, 08:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • visualization doesn't usually work with anxiety. deep breathing and progressive muscle relaxation much better. grounding as well

          [ Reply | Options ]
          09.04.08, 06:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Alphabet of nice things. Just go through the alphabet with her, letter by letter, and think of a Nice Thing for each letter. This sometimes works with my son, who gets very antsy at bedtime. And it works for me. I'm always afraid of dying in my sleep. YOu can also tell her what my mother used to say: "you're not going to die. You're going to live and suffer like everyone else." Haha. She was just kidding.

      [ Reply | Options ]
      09.03.08, 08:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: Wow. That's something I never thought of. That's a brilliant idea for her. She loves to read and think about language, and she would love it. She's happily cleaning her desk now, and insists that she's not feeling any sleepier. Should I worry? I almost want her to stop b/c I feel like the activity is just keeping her wakeful. Where do you think the fear of dying in sleep comes from? Aside from the alphabet idea, what else helps you let go into sleep?

        [ Reply | Options ]
        09.03.08, 08:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I'm glad you saw it... oh, i don't know... I used to be very afraid my mother was going to die. I think it's a more complex form of fear of the dark. Which deep down a lot of people are. These days, I have two things I think of that are very relaxing: My husband and I are dropping off both DS's for sleepaway camp AT THE SAME TIME! Bye, DS#1! Bye, DS#2! then I imagine driving to some pleasurable bed and breakfast for lots of sleeping late and movies with DH and dinners and massages. In the other one, I'm buying a beach house and looking at all the rooms and enjoying the sunlight. Oh, and I have a third one where I'm sitting in a really, really comfortable easy chair in front of a fireplace with tons of fun stuff to read and NO obligations! G...

          [ Reply | Options ]
          09.03.08, 08:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Did you figure out these calming scenarios (which I share, especially the reading one) at night or during the day? I ask b/c I think it would be great to help dd find some soothing thought or image, but nothing I suggest works at night. What did your parents do when you had this fear during childhood?

            [ Reply | Options ]
            09.03.08, 08:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • What time does your dd wake up? Get her up early and make sure she has a day with lots of exercise. Swimming in the late afternoon makes me sleepy.

      [ Reply | Options ]
      09.04.08, 01:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Go lie down with her.

      [ Reply | Options ]
      09.04.08, 02:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]I need advice. I'd like to get my teen dd tested for mild Asperger's but I'm leery of giving her a label. I recently acquired a fine physician practice for her which deals in adolescent medicine but if dd is tested and found that she has Asperger's, I know it could mean years of expensive psychotherapy which may not, in the end, help her, especially if the condition is mild and chronic. I want to know the truth but I'm nervous about it. And I don't want my dd to think I THINK anything's wrong with her - she'd freak out.

    23 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]
    08.28.08, 04:23 AM [ Flag ]
    • What makes you think she may have Aspergers?

      [ Reply | Options ]
      08.28.08, 05:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • She goes to a small private girls' school where she stands out a little bit. She's never seemed to be on the same wavelength as other teen girls - always a tad odd, or off, or just not "getting it". I've noticed this when visiting at camp, and also at religious school, and in sports. Everyone else seems to have friends - sure, kids alter like the wind, but there is basic social involvement. Mine is stamped as weird, different, geeky, nerdy, highly academic (all A's). Mine seems socially immature in every group setting. Is there a book I can read before jumping into cognitive behavior therapy or psychology counseling for her? I don't want to jump in without assessing other options. I know how important good social communication is in...

        [ Reply | Options ]
        08.28.08, 06:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ^^^ What I'm trying to describe is mild, or slight differences but noticeable differences among her peers - I see the averted looks and guarded expressions when she comes around. The other girls at school know better than to shun her - she's allowed to sit at a table at lunch (even though crueler types will pointedly move) but she's never more than tolerated by her peers. Everyone is forced to work in groups during a school year and she manages when the activity or lab is structured but she's no one's first choice for a partner and sees no one from school after hours. She participates in group activities, like sports or religious school but only during the actual hours. I can barely find kids who accept birthday party invitations no mat...

          [ Reply | Options ]
          08.28.08, 06:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ^^^ how great the event or restaurant is. She's attractive, thin and adults find her charming, sweet, reliable, steady, and polite. It's very frustrating. Sorry for the length of this but I didn't want to give the impression that she was crazy at school because she isn't at all - very quiet.

            [ Reply | Options ]
            08.28.08, 06:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Don't be so quick to assume she has a mental problem. Being socially awkward in high school is normal. Brand her with a label and you will do lifelong damage. I am sure that she already feels self-conscious about not being part of the popular clique--taking her to doctors because of it will just make things worse.

              [ Reply | Options ]
              08.28.08, 06:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Is it frustrating for you, or for her? Is she happy? Everything you describe seems to indicate you are not happy with her life, not that she is in any way unhappy.

              [ Reply | Options ]
              08.28.08, 06:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • I don't get this question. She can be wiser than her daughter and therefor unhappy on her behalf even is her daughter feels fine.

                [ Reply | Options ]
                08.28.08, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • How old is she?

      [ Reply | Options ]
      08.28.08, 06:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • She's 15. I know she's lonely. Probably I feel her situation more than she does, but I'm also uneasy because I'd like to make things better and can't - not in this situation. I'd like her to go from social slow death at school and passing toleration to more social success. I don't want her to leave high school without a single close friend although many go through this and find a circle of friends in college. I had one close best friend growing up with whom I did everything. Without her, I would have been very lonely. And good or superior communication skills influence what and how we do things throughout life. What's going to happen if a boy decides to pay attention to her and she's so thrilled to be noticed by ANYONE that she'll m...

        [ Reply | Options ]
        08.28.08, 06:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ^^^ make naive or gullible decisions and get badly hurt?

          [ Reply | Options ]
          08.28.08, 06:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • what does she do for fun? any team type activities or acting or something where she has to interact? Not everyone can be in the popular clique -- some of us were in the geek squad and turn out ok!

            [ Reply | Options ]
            08.28.08, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • i wonder if there is something like toastmasters for teens? it would be a good idea if there is such a thing. hmmm maybe i will start that if i get laid off this year.

              [ Reply | Options ]
              08.28.08, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • She participates on sports teams outside of school, goes to sleepaway camp each summer, works hard, very malleable, easygoing, just wants to be included and accepted. Two years ago, it was obvious that the group she'd been around since third grade was pushing her out and inviting someone else in her place. Afterschool dates became nonexistent, no one wrote to her at camp (and after some tries with no response she stopped), no invitations to go anywhere after school and before afternoon activities - you get the picture. Girls do this so well. It's subtle. It's exclusion and very hard to combat.

                [ Reply | Options ]
                08.28.08, 07:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • What you are describing seems very normal for a teenage girl...many girls are excluded from peer groups.

                  [ Reply | Options ]
                  08.28.08, 07:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My youngest daughter was very similar to yours at 15. In my daughter's case, she was very slow to develop physically - she did not get her period until she was 16, and was very "girl-like" at an age when many of her peers had developed. She is now 17 and has almost caught up with the other girls her age. The late development caused my DD to have a rough time with peers from about 11-16. One doctor suggested putting her on hormones, but others advised us against that. I don't know whether your daughter has similar problems. My only advice is that this may be a phase for your DD that will pass because teens grow and mature at different rates. Your DD sounds like there are many positive things about her -- she has excellent grades, and a...

      [ Reply | Options ]
      08.28.08, 07:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • There are similarities. Mine is also a slow physical developer - got her period around 14 1/2 but it's still not regular. Interesting how some kids just don't blossom at the same time as others in the same age group - although she's not undersized. Just a late-developer, but it takes a long time. She's such a nice kid too (if I do say it) and it annoys me that kids who aren't nearly as nice have it easier socially. But that's whining, so I'll stop.

        [ Reply | Options ]
        08.28.08, 07:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • you can whine here - I am just not able to think of a way to give you direction. i think opportunities where she can interact/show her personality/abilities is all you can do for now. Try to have fun with her -- and let her have fun. ibet she can feel your stress about this a little.

          [ Reply | Options ]
          08.28.08, 08:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I don't think this sounds like Aspergers. My dd's speech therapist described 15 yr old girls with Aspergers to me in a meeting and none of this was in her description. It's not easy socially to get alone with adults or get all A's. That takes some political acumen and good conversational skills. It sounds like something very different to me. I have been her a while and remember reading your posts (I think) a couple of years ago, about the group work and how the girls are polite when they have to be... it all sounds very tough. I wonder if she's just in a bad cycle of rejection now that she can't get out of, and her own feelings about it follow her to camp?

      [ Reply | Options ]
      08.28.08, 08:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • This is a perfect description of my sister at 13, and now she is a famous artist. I think you have to worry more about the ones the fit in perfectly in their teens.

      [ Reply | Options ]
      08.28.08, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP - Yes, I was the UB poster from a while ago when UB was in the old format. All the above suggestions are good and I've ordered some books on social behavior which might help us. For now, dd doesn't seem to mind hanging out with me, going to the movies, going to Pinkberry's, and doesn't seem to feel threatened if she runs into classmates who "see her with her Mom" - something that would spell social death for the others. But I know they might tease her or mention "Oh, I saw you the other day WITH YOUR MOM" and it's spoken in such a tone - I can't describe it. Can't wait until everyone grows up and out of this stage - such a pity, when teens are physically their most beautiful and healthy. What a waste.

        [ Reply | Options ]
        08.28.08, 02:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think it may be best to take the cues about possible therapeutic action from your daughter herself, since she is old enough to be aware of her situation. I guess the tricky part is how to have an open discussion with her about it without it being humiliating to her. Honestly, from your description, because she DID have a peer group from 3rd grade on and was then pushed out, it sounds like she probably doesn't have asperger's or the like, it sounds like . . . well, she's just a bit of a nerd. We all know late bloomers and outcasts from our youth who ended up finding their places in the world and being wildly successful. It must be painful as a mom, but showing your girl love, and that there is a huge diverse world of people and options bey...

      [ Reply | Options ]
      08.28.08, 02:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I have no wisdom to offer, but she sounds lovely. Some people just swim against the tide, and those usually wind up being my favorite people in the world. People like this are often lonely in high school, but somehow they'll click into the right scene in college or a little later, and find people who appreciate their unique spin and world view. She sounds bright and warm, but just not socially adept yet. At some point, the right kind of people will gravitate toward her even if she is odd or awkward. Trust me, I've been in love with men who sound just like your daughter, in terms of being different socially but having amazing minds.

      [ Reply | Options ]
      08.28.08, 02:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Sounds like a good plan. I'll keep my eyes open but will let dd handle things. Hopefully this tenth grade year will be a good one. - OP

        [ Reply | Options ]
        08.28.08, 03:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
refresh »

Your settings

Stages
Regions
Select all

Log in to save selected filters as your default.

Numbers in parentheses are the number of posts in that category.

advertisement
Click Here
advertisement
Click Here

UrbanBaby Asks...

Which do you think is the best place to raise children?

Already voted? View Results

See more polls »

Boards Help

Abbreviations
More Boards Help

Katie Couric Wants Your Questions

Katie Couric, anchor of the CBS Evening News, is asking UrbanBaby users for their questions for the politicians at the Democratic and Republican National Conventions.
* Read a Message from Katie
* Submit your Questions Now!

(Please mention that you are an UrbanBaby user when you submit your questions.)

Site Feedback

We hear you! Thank you for your feedback about the new site. We are paying close attention to your comments and we will incorporate them as we make improvements to the site. Please continue to report problems and offer feedback on the Site Feedback Board and visit our Site Talk blog for answers to some of your questions and updates on specific issues.