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[+] Does anyone know of Dr. Vanessa Dinnall (OB-GYN @ Roosevelt). She was w/ them for a w... 11 replies
- Yes, I actually asked her about that, among other things. She also specializes in vbacs, does not do birthing center births (but is supportive)....
- so you're sticking w/ her? can they even do a vbac in the birthing center? or is it considered too high risk?...
- np- no VBAC in the Birthing Center...
Talk : : November 11, 2008
Does anyone know of Dr. Vanessa Dinnall (OB-GYN @ Roosevelt). She was w/ them for a while but left the practice. I never rcvd a letter from them telling me she was leaving but apparently one went out to all her patients. No one currently at her old office knows where she went. Anyone out there know? Tx
11 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.11.08, 01:33 PM [ Flag ]oh no! that's so so sad. thanks for the info though. i'm heartbroken. she was the best & delivered me through a a very difficult birth. sigh. so you really like dr. hanna. i might go bac kto moritz then.
[ Reply | Options ]11.11.08, 01:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I met with her once and she was lovely, very warm and friendly, similar to Dr. Dinnall. I loved her too (but haven't had db with her yet), and now planing to see Dr. Hanna for ttc and db in near future. I could not get an appt with Moritz
[ Reply | Options ]11.11.08, 01:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i wonder if i'd even be able to do get back in w/ mortiz. prob not. he was my ob but dinall delivered me and then i switched to her. doubt it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.11.08, 01:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's important to me though to have a doc who's comfortable w/ vbacs. do you know that about her? you know how dinnall was about all of that so i'm looking for similar takes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.11.08, 01:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, I actually asked her about that, among other things. She also specializes in vbacs, does not do birthing center births (but is supportive).
[ Reply | Options ]11.11.08, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ I actually set up an appointment just to talk with her, so I could see if I wanted to stay with her or find a new ob. She was very nice, spoke with me for nearly an hour, even though I wasn't getting an exam
[ Reply | Options ]11.11.08, 01:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]so you're sticking w/ her? can they even do a vbac in the birthing center? or is it considered too high risk?
[ Reply | Options ]11.11.08, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, they don't do them there... I just was asking lots of q's because this will be my first, and she told me right at the start that she doesn't do birthing center births (but is supportive and helps find midwife, etc)
[ Reply | Options ]11.11.08, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np- no VBAC in the Birthing Center
[ Reply | Options ]11.11.08, 02:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, I'm sticking with her. Actually have an appt with her tomorrow, for regular exam and PAP, as well as to discuss TTC
[ Reply | Options ]11.11.08, 02:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I am a midwife working on research involving the emotional impact of a vaginal birth ...
Talk : : November 10, 2008
I am a midwife working on research involving the emotional impact of a vaginal birth after cesarean. If you have had a VBAC, please consider filling out our 10-15min survey. Thank you very much.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=j_2fW0Nf_2btjo0TfWZd6ST4sA_3d_3d
[ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.10.08, 03:45 PM [ Flag ]
[+] I am a midwife working on research involving the emotional impact of a vaginal birth ...
Talk : : November 10, 2008
I am a midwife working on research involving the emotional impact of a vaginal birth after cesarean. If you have had a VBAC, please consider filling out our 10-15min survey. Thank you very much.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=j_2fW0Nf_2btjo0TfWZd6ST4sA_3d_3d
[ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.10.08, 03:44 PM [ Flagged ]
[+] I am a midwife working on research involving the emotional impact of a vaginal birth ...
Talk : : November 10, 2008
I am a midwife working on research involving the emotional impact of a vaginal birth after cesarean. If you have had a VBAC, please consider filling out our 10-15min survey. Thank you very much.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=j_2fW0Nf_2btjo0TfWZd6ST4sA_3d_3d
[ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.10.08, 03:43 PM [ Flag ]
[+] I am a midwife working on research involving the emotional impact of a vaginal birth ...
Talk : : November 10, 2008
I am a midwife working on research involving the emotional impact of a vaginal birth after cesarean. If you have had a VBAC, please consider filling out our 10-15min survey. Thank you very much.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=j_2fW0Nf_2btjo0TfWZd6ST4sA_3d_3d
[ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.10.08, 03:42 PM [ Flag ]
[+] I am a midwife working on research involving the emotional impact of a vaginal birth ...
Talk : : November 10, 2008
I am a midwife working on research involving the emotional impact of a vaginal birth after cesarean. If you have had a VBAC, please consider filling out our 10-15min survey. Thank you very much.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=j_2fW0Nf_2btjo0TfWZd6ST4sA_3d_3d
[ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.10.08, 03:41 PM [ Flag ]
[+] I am new to this site and posted incorrectly before, sorry. I'm working on a researc... 8 replies
- Just looked at your survey. Had VBAC but think your view of it as 'healing experience' is highly...
- Did you have a vbac? I did, and I certainly thought of it as incredibly healing...
- np: that's so interesting. i was planning a vbac (except i miscarried so i never got that far) but...
- or - thats what I mean. yes, vbac was much better for me than c-section, not least in recovery...
Talk : : November 09, 2008
I am new to this site and posted incorrectly before, sorry. I'm working on a research thesis involving the emotional impact of a VBAC. If you have had a VBAC, please consider completing the 10 min survey at the link below, thank you.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=j_2fW0Nf_2btjo0TfWZd6ST4sA_3d_3d
8 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.09.08, 02:59 PM [ Flag ]I will do it tomorrow but how is this valid research if you have no idea who is filling it out and how often?
[ Reply | Options ]11.09.08, 03:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Just filled it out. Can you tell me what it is for? Are you a medical student?
[ Reply | Options ]11.09.08, 03:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Just looked at your survey. Had VBAC but think your view of it as 'healing experience' is highly irrelevant. What on earth is your thesis on? How far along are you - maybe you need to reconsider what it is for
[ Reply | Options ]11.09.08, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Did you have a vbac? I did, and I certainly thought of it as incredibly healing for me. -OR above.
[ Reply | Options ]11.09.08, 03:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes I did, but was lucky enough to go into labor before planned c-section. I don't think women should fixate on ways of giving birth, feel guilt etc if its not 'perfect'. You're having a baby, not a birth
[ Reply | Options ]11.09.08, 03:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: that's so interesting. i was planning a vbac (except i miscarried so i never got that far) but it didn't matter much to me on an emotional level.
[ Reply | Options ]11.09.08, 04:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]or - thats what I mean. yes, vbac was much better for me than c-section, not least in recovery time etc loved it, but I am no more or less a mother for having a c-section or vaginal birth
[ Reply | Options ]11.09.08, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think it depends on the circumstances surrounding your c-section and whether or not you felt that it was warranted.
[ Reply | Options ]11.09.08, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I'm a midwife working on a research thesis on the emotional impact of a vaginal birth...
Talk : : November 09, 2008
[+] I'm a midwife working on a research thesis on the emotional impact of a vaginal birth...
Talk : : November 09, 2008
[+] I'm a midwife working on a research thesis on the emotional impact of a vaginal birth...
Talk : : November 09, 2008
[+] I'm a midwife working on a research thesis on the emotional impact of a vaginal birth...
Talk : : November 09, 2008
[+] vbac - anyone told that they were not a good candidate or risk was higher for them (s...
Talk : : August 15, 2008
[+] reposting on specific boards: hoping for a vbac at NY Presby. With the Hutson/Edersh... 11 replies
- you can do during the pg to deliver vbac? obviously the doc will do what is safest for...
- SLR. My Dr. is Gae Rodke, very VBAC friendly. i found the L&D staff supportive too,...
- Had VBAC with Hutson. While I was watched carefully throughout,...
- I had two VBACs with their practice (my c-section was due to...'re really not supposed to induce with a VBAC, that doesn't say much for the practice....
Talk : : August 13, 2008
reposting on specific boards: hoping for a vbac at NY Presby. With the Hutson/Edersheim/Kessler practice--Hutson is my ob. Says it is possible, but I'd like to know what I can do to help ensure I have the best shot at a VBAC. Reason for first Csec was twins. TIA
11 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.13.08, 02:07 PM [ Flag ]not sure what you mean? you can make sure your doc understands that is what you want but are you asking if physically there is anything you can do during the pg to deliver vbac? obviously the doc will do what is safest for you and the baby.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 02:14 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I had a vbac 2 years ago--it all depends on the state of your pregnancy and how labor progresses. There really isn't anything you can do to make it work. Good luck, I had a very positive experience.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 02:50 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]may I ask--at which hospital did you deliver? thx
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 02:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]SLR. My Dr. is Gae Rodke, very VBAC friendly. i found the L&D staff supportive too, very "you go, girl", which was nice when those contrax kicked in.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 03:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Had VBAC with Hutson. While I was watched carefully throughout, the delivery was actually, dare I say, delightful! He was terrific.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 04:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I had two VBACs with their practice (my c-section was due to multiples). Edersheim kept a close eye on the size of the baby as I have big babies. I was induced with my 2nd vbac. As you know Edersheim has left the practic, and while Hutson might be supportive make sure the drs other cover on the weekends as equally supportive
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 04:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]really good to know, thanks. They won't induce me--now that is considered an added risk for uterine rupture. Did you have an epidural? How much were you dilated if/when you did? And, odd question, but are you in the medical profession, or closely related to those who are in NYC? TIA
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 05:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I was induced two years ago. I did have an epiduaral after the pitocin contractions became unbearable. I was probably 5 cm. Not a medical professional but know the practice well. Edersheim suggested a midwife to help through the labor, but now that she is gone, I am not sure how kessler/hutson and the covering OBs would feel about it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 05:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
wow, you're really not supposed to induce with a VBAC, that doesn't say much for the practice.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 05:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: they will not induce me or give me pitocin. Protocol change, I would gather, on more recent studies.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 05:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
TO make sure you increase your chances: 1. Let them know exactly how strongly you feel about it. 2. Avoid induction or augmentation with pitocin. 3. Labor at home as *long* as possible 4. Avoid being on the external monitor as long and as much as possible (ties in with #3) 5. Stay mobile and push in different positions
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 05:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] hoping for a vbac at NY Presby. With the Hutson/Edersheim/Kessler practice--Hutson i... 1 reply
- . the second time i jumped the gun a bit and i think the resident anesthesia guy f-ed up and i had problems. #3 vbac i had a private hospital outside nyc and the experience was a million times better....
Talk : : August 13, 2008
hoping for a vbac at NY Presby. With the Hutson/Edersheim/Kessler practice--Hutson is my ob. Says it is possible, but I'd like to know what I can do to help ensure I have the best shot at a VBAC. Reason for first Csec was twins. TIA
1 reply [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.13.08, 02:06 PM [ Flag ]let them let you wait to go into labor, dont go to hosp until you are sure youre going to have the baby. i had #1 vag, #2 csec at columbia.... the second time i jumped the gun a bit and i think the resident anesthesia guy f-ed up and i had problems. #3 vbac i had a private hospital outside nyc and the experience was a million times better.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Can you have more than 2 c-sections in a row? 3 replies
- Vbac is so much better....
Talk : : August 11, 2008
Can you have more than 2 c-sections in a row?
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.11.08, 01:26 PM [ Flag ]Most docs say 4 c/s are okay.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Seems like almost everyone does....fwiw, someone told me their OB says it can be dangerous having a 3rd one so she recommends trying to avoid the 2nd. That's the only time I've ever heard somebody say that though. Then again, even if it were a risk, I don't think most OBs would mention it...
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 02:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Vbac is so much better.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 02:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] c-section moms: would you consider a vbac? under what circumstances? 13 replies
- for any reason that was unlikely to repeat itself (e.g. breach or some random emergency during labor) then I would definitely consider a vbac for this one. For me though, I had to have a c-s after 30 hrs of labor and 3 hours of pushing because...
- Why would anyone want to have a VBAC? I've already got the scar from the first C-section, and I thought a C-section wasn't that hard to recover from....
Talk : : August 11, 2008
c-section moms: would you consider a vbac? under what circumstances?
13 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.11.08, 08:04 AM [ Flag ]I had one. I didn't want to have another section, and I knew I would have less help the second time around. it went very well, and I felt really good almost immeidately. I was able to carry my 2 yo, go up stairs, etc. I highly recommend it if you are a good candidate.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 08:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]of course I would. In fact, I should have. But my first C-section was because the baby was very large and the doctors thought the same about #2. turns out, #2 was over a pound less and had a tiny head. who knew. i'd try for a vbac... if you end up with a section, at least you tried.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]size of baby is no longer a recommended reason for a c-section
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.08, 05:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My baby was average in size but I was to small to deliver. Narrow hips (front to back) and only 5cm dilated after 2 days of labor. Lost the baby's heart beat but they resuscitated her. I decided to get the c-s as soon as her heart started back up. I didn't want to lose her. So, big baby is a relative term.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.08, 06:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I wouldn't consider a repeat c!! I did have a vbac. It was wonderful.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ditto.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 12:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I considered it, but opted for repeat section. The first section was an emergency and pretty terrifying--really did not want to repeat it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes. my doctor told me it wouldn't be a problem. i was planning on trying it and will probably try it next time (assuming i don't have the same problem as i did that caused my other c)
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 12:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]If my first c-s had been for any reason that was unlikely to repeat itself (e.g. breach or some random emergency during labor) then I would definitely consider a vbac for this one. For me though, I had to have a c-s after 30 hrs of labor and 3 hours of pushing because DS got stuck; OB told me that I had a narrow pelvic opening and given the size of ds (9 lbs+) this would liekly have happened anyway. It was so traumatic, that I'm just not willing to risk that experience again even though I hated having c-s.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think this makes sense. I have a bunch of fibroids, so the placement makes it likely I'd need a cs. But I can see trying if the first was due to randomness
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 02:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Why would anyone want to have a VBAC? I've already got the scar from the first C-section, and I thought a C-section wasn't that hard to recover from. I'm looking forward to a nice, scheduled C-section next time without waiting 30 hours for my cervix to fail to dilate. What's the big deal anyway? Do you win an award if you push the baby out rather than have a C-section? I am very tired with people making more of a big deal about the birth process than about what's really important, how you raise your child for the next 18 (and more) years.
[ Reply | Options ]09.16.08, 10:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]1) Because 1 CS isn't a big deal, but 4 of them are.
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.08, 05:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]vaginal birth is better for the baby and mom
[ Reply | Options ]09.21.08, 05:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] We're TTC'ing #2 and I want to VBAC. Anyone have any providers to recommend? Home bir... 31 replies
- about OBs generally are that first trimester they agree VBAC is a great option. Second trimester they start mentioning...
- interesting, someone recommended her Mt Sinai VBAC OB to me. I also know someone who VBACed...protocols. OBs and hospitals protect themselves against lawsuits, since vbacs are now considered "risky," though of course they are...
- I just had a successful VBAC in february at NYU, with spring obgyn (drs flagg...
Talk : : August 09, 2008
We're TTC'ing #2 and I want to VBAC. Anyone have any providers to recommend? Home birth isn't an option, don't suggest it. I live in Queens but I'm thinking I'll go into Manhattan (my sister lives there, so I could use her place as a base). All the Queens hospitals seem to suck. If I go CNM I want one who isn't supercrunchy and won't bail if I end up choosing the epidural. Other requirements are some flexibility on monitoring (I'm willing to use the CTG, but not be strapped down) and good breastfeeding support, especially for jaundiced babies (I have a high chance of another one). #1 (emergency section for preeclampsia) was not born in NYC so I have no background at all.
31 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.09.08, 06:36 PM [ Flag ]I live in CT, so can't help with provider recs. However, having had an unsuccessful and a successful VBAC, I can give some advice. First of all, highly recommend going the midwife route. I ended up having an epi towards the end of my labor and my midwife was fine with it -- I was disappointed in myself and she made me feel a lot better. Most stories I hear about OBs generally are that first trimester they agree VBAC is a great option. Second trimester they start mentioning some problems that might occur. And third trimester, they really think it's not a good option for you. Another thing that is critical IME is that the OB backup is as committed to your VBAC as the midwives. In the end, they will have the final say and my first VBAC attempt the OBs were the ones who got antsy and pulled the plug and went c/s (I was at 9cm). My second and successfull VBAC, the OB was just as wonderful as the m/w and did not suddenly try to manage my care. He was just checking in on us from time to time.
[ Reply | Options ]08.09.08, 06:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're asking too much--need to be in L&D for an epidural, and need to home birth if you don't want monitoring with a vbac (monitoring and iv fluids are generally insisted on for this). My advice: Pick an OB at St. Lukes Roosevelt, hire a doula, and labor at home so that the epidural and monitoring come at the end.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 01:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree with this advice. Signed, homebirth VBAC mom.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wow. I am impressed that you did home vbac. Were you nervous? -OR above (hospital vbac--no drugs, but still...)
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, I'm not being snarky but I would have been more nervous in the hospital. I had an amazing midwife with every possible tool with her and a hospital to transfer to if it was needed (and it wasn't). It's the hospital that contains most of the dangers when it comes to successful vbac--induction/augmentation drugs, epidurals, monitoring, limited mobility, pressured time frames, etc. Wasn't interested in any of that.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's great--I'm so glad for you. I wouldn't have had the guts to do it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I know some monitoring is required. That's not a problem. I don't expect most hospital providers to be willing to do occasional doppler checks on a VBAC. What I do not want is to be strapped down and on the CTG the entire time (I was on it for hours at a time last time), and I know some providers will work with you on that. (I also know that most VBAC friendly providers will let you have a heplock instead of an IV to make moving easier. This is fine, in fact i would prefer it to ensure I get a good stick.) As I said, home birth is not an option. One, chances are this baby's going to end up under the bili lights. two, I had a large blood loss last time. Three, my nearest hospitals are Flushing and North Shore Manhasset.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]most hospitals will require continuous external monitoring, not intermittent monitoring, which is what you're describing.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not quite. Intermittent ascultation is handheld doppler (the studies comparing IA to cEFM used set periods of listening). The important thing with EFM is being able to run the recorded strip, and some OBs/CNMs are flexible about exactly how much time has to be spent on (allowing breaks for you to move, versus truly continuous monitoring). Again, EFM is not the issue, it's never being allowed off that I don't want. I know this is possible because I know people who have done it. Also, some hospitals have telemetry monitoring, which would make life a lot easier.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Continuous monitoring is protocol in a hospital vbac. Where I delivered, I was lucky enough to have a room with telemetry, but if you get one that doesn't, you are "tied" to the bed. No hospital I've heard of has telemetry in all the rooms, if in any at all. Also, most OBs will NOT let you have a heplock because they need to get two bags of fluids in you before they can give you an epi or a spinal, and if you need an emergency c, you need that anaesthesia (they don't like to use general because it's riskier, not because they give a crap if you're concious for the birth or not).
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, I'd need the IV if I did have the epidural. No question. But, as I understand it, if I don't want the epidural, I don't need the fluids and the heplock is fine. I'm not set on either epidural or unmedicated--I just want a provider that will support my choice either way. Look, I have to make the best of the situation that I'm in, which is that I need a hospital L&D birth. So please, don't tell me how it's impossible and I just need to do it at home, because I do know people who say their providers worked with them. If I were saying "I don't ever want to be monitored, I don't want the IV line in ever, I don't want the nurses touching me" then hell yeah, that would be unrealistic. I'm not asking that.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ug. All I'm saying is that if you have a hospital vbac (as I did), there are LOTS of protocols. OBs and hospitals protect themselves against lawsuits, since vbacs are now considered "risky," though of course they are no more so than a repeat c. You have to follow the rules. If you don't want an epi, you pretty much have to walk into the hospital fully dilated, as I did (and I still got stuck with the fluids). Otherwise, it's protocol, and you'll get it--and the fluids, and the monitoring. Just hire a doula, and stay home until you're in transition, and you'll get what you want. Go to the hospital in active labor, and you won't--no matter who your OB is.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]However, I'm also asking about midwives--and they're less big on the epidural. Again, I'm not going to get one who says "fine! You don't need any monitoring, go sit in the Jacuzzi". Not only unrealistic but not very safe for a VBAC. But I do know I can get one who will say "you can have a break, get up, stretch". Do you see what I'm getting at here? I'm not asking for a home birth in the hospital, I'm asking for a provider with enough sensitivity to understand that I had a very bad experience last time.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Oh, and you certainly don't need prophylactic fluids "just in case"--I should know as I managed a CS under combined spinal-epidural last time without having an IV in before they wheeled me into the OR!
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Also, since I can't HB and no birth centers will take me (in or out of hospital) L&D is my only option anyway. VBACs are banned from the SLR BC, and I've yet to hear (from reading posts here and elsewhere) that their regular L&D is so much better than, say, St Vincent's or even Mt Sinai (where several people I know VBACed).
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Mt. Sinai is one of the worst places to try to vbac unless you're with Jacki Worth and her practice. St. Vincent's you have a much better chance with.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]interesting, someone recommended her Mt Sinai VBAC OB to me. I also know someone who VBACed there a few weeks ago--with the MFM team and a forceps delivery no less. She didn't want to go unmedicated, though.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i use a doctor who has offices in manhattan and queens. i had a c-section last time and he said there's no reason for me not to try a vbac. there are a couple of drawbacks, one of which is that the hospital he uses is not very close to queens.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 01:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not to be snarky, but considering the circumstances of your first delivery (the preeclampsia) aren't you at all worried about complications? Signed, mom who had perfectly easily delivery with no drugs for #1...unexpected emergency delivery at 32 weeks with lots of complications for poor db.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not particularly. Preeclampsia has a 20% recurrence rate, which means I'd be a damn fool if I weren't monitored for it, but it would also be ridiculous to plan as if it were going to happen again. In my case it developed at 38 weeks and would never have resulted in a section if it had been correctly managed. Like, if my consultant OB hadn't said at 36 weeks "you don't need to see me again till 40 weeks".
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I had a great v-bac with Seth Finkelstein. His office is in Manhattan, but he delivers at NY Hospital Flushing and Lenox Hill.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't think Lenox Hill allows vbac anymore. -np
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Really? Mine was in December. If they changed policies, it was recent.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i had 2 c's (dc's were both breach). my 2nd dc was pretty severely jaundiced and they almost wouldn't release dc to me. I delivered both kids at slr. i found them to be really helpful with the bf (no lc but nurses knew a fair amt, had nursed their own kids, had exp with trying to get latch right and getting milk supply after a c). the jaundice ended up being fine, I sort of forget exactly what was done to be honest at this point, but dc came home with me (phew)
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 04:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Had a GREAT VBAC with CBS midwives -- they deliver at SLR.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 05:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np- DR Rhee is mentioned on here. Her group take VBAC's at SLR
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 05:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Interesting. I looked at them but they say only 3 VBAC attempts last year, only 1 successful. How was SLR otherwise? Do they have mandatory nursery stays?
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 05:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]they do not. my baby roomed in almost continuously after the initial check and bath in the nrsery, adn they delayed that until after seh had fed and I was OK with it. i had an exceletn drug free birth in SLR L&D.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 03:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I just had a successful VBAC in february at NYU, with spring obgyn (drs flagg, maldonado, etc). to some of your points/questions: 1) I could not use the midwife in the practice because she doesn't do VBACs. 2) They said I could have had a heplock instead of IV, but then I tested GBS+ so had to get IV with penicillin. 3) I had continuous external monitoring but I was not confined to the bed - I was able to get up, sit on birthing ball, walk around, etc. They just kept coming back and fussing with the belts, because I was constantly shifting them and they'd lose the signal, and I couldn't get too far away from the machine - my walking was pretty confined. but I did NOT have to just lie there on the bed. 3) my OB asked that I get the epidural cath placed as soon as I arrived at the hospital, so that I could avoid general anesthesia if I had to have an emergency C. I was fine with that, although I hated the process of getting it in, and a needle in your spine with no drugs coming through to numb it is pretty uncomfortable. but it was OK - mostly just achy. and I had plenty of other pain to distract me. 4) the nursing staff at NYU was EXCELLENT - wonderful breastfeeding support, great care. huuuuugely different from my last birth at st vincents, where when I asked to see a lactation consultant the nurse said "why?" and told me I didn't need one. 5) I hired a doula, who I thought was pretty irritating as a person, but did an excellent job in terms of expertise and imparting confidence to me. I didn't mind that she was not someone I wanted to hang out with, because I just wanted a professional who had VBAC experience. but I know most people want a doula they click with more on a personal level. the doula I hired was deborah badran.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 08:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Did you feel that the drs at Spring were supportive of your vbac? Anyone in particular? How about the staff at NYU? Were you allowed to go past your due date (if you didn't go earlier on your own)? Did you request not to be on cefm? Sorry for all the questions and congrats on your vbac.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 04:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]This is so wonderful to hear, I am preg with #2 and had my first via CS at St. Vincent's with Dr. Maldonado. The very first thing she said to me the next day was that if I was planning to have another I should go straight to CS, it was not an emergency and a very comfortable 24 labor prior. She said I just stopped dilating after about 7+. I am committed to doing a VBAC this time and so far the midwife at spring obgyn is supportive, about to see Maldonado again this week. Worried they will try to convince me to do a CS. Perhaps the doula is the way to go?
[ Reply | Options ]09.07.08, 09:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] After giving birth did you thank your dr/s or nurses in the hospital? If so, how? 16 replies
- wow you are me EXACTLY! Except mine was 7 lb 12 oz. Definitely doing a VBAC next time....
Talk : : August 07, 2008
After giving birth did you thank your dr/s or nurses in the hospital? If so, how?
16 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.07.08, 12:45 PM [ Flag ]no
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 12:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]"thank you!"
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 12:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks so much for railroading me into that induction by telling me my baby was 9 lbs! Here she is, by the way, doing great at 7 lbs 1 oz, thanks! Oh, no problem that the horribly painful induction and early epidural led to a section. Here's a plate of cookies. Enjoy Boca this winter!
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 12:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yikes!!! Sorry for your terrible experience
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh jeez i'm sorry about all that. what a bummer. this makes me think more about home birth.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's the best. I had my second at home :-)
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 12:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]this makes me happy to hear! this is how i plan on doing it. did you haev a midwife or doula or was it just you and dh?
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 12:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, I wouldn't do unassisted. We had a certified nurse midwife, and a doula. We also had our older child there!
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
wow you are me EXACTLY! Except mine was 7 lb 12 oz. Definitely doing a VBAC next time.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yes. We had a running joke with the Dr about Crocs, so we bought her two pairs. Also, gave the head nurse a $250 gift card (DB was in NICU for 2 weeks)
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I freaked my doctor out by hugging him. There were some potential complications with my son and he handled everything beautifully. When we got the genetic "all-clear" I grabbed him in a big hug.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 12:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I got my doctor a Fauchon gift basket. I felt very close with her and she did a great job.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thanked my doctor and his staff, but not the hospital staff. The nurses sucked.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]perfect gift, after my first daughter, to the nurses and my doctor - a woman!- this dvd "the story of mothers and daughters" i've watched it many times since myself (got it for my mom too) www.thestoryofmothersanddaughters.com And what i did was ask for a discount for buying 4 and saved $4 each - they were very sweet about it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.09.08, 03:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]SPAM......this is the second time this was posted!
[ Reply | Options ]08.09.08, 04:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ewww. thanks for the alert. How gross.
[ Reply | Options ]08.09.08, 05:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Can anyone recommend a good doctor in NYC who is supportive of VBAC? My current OB is... 15 replies
- just curious but why is a VBAC important to you? (Not in NYC so I have no...them and had a good experience. Wasn't a VBAC, but found the group genuinely supportive of birth...
- ^^NYPH. I attempted a vbac but did not progress. she was very supportive...that a c-section for reasons that would make VBAC risky?...
- you consider using a midwife? I had my VBAC in a hospital (not NYC) with midwives who...
Talk : : August 06, 2008
Can anyone recommend a good doctor in NYC who is supportive of VBAC? My current OB is pushing for a c-section and I would like to give a VBAC a try. Of course, if it fails, I would like the doctor/hostpital to be good at handling emergency c-sections. Thanks for your suggestions
15 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.06.08, 01:29 PM [ Flag ]just curious but why is a VBAC important to you? (Not in NYC so I have no recomendations) Just always wonder about that
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Certin benefits for the baby to have gone through labor - There are benefits even if a c-sction is ultimately performed. The labor process releases stress hormones that have apositive impact on respiratory function. Also, each c-section makes it much riskier to have additional children.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks. I opted for a repeat C but that seemed like the best option for me. GL either way ;-)
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
In another context, would you consider it odd if someone said it was important to them to avoid surgery if medically possible?
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Dr. Rhee's group is supposed to be supportive of VBAC. (I delivered with them and had a good experience. Wasn't a VBAC, but found the group genuinely supportive of birth "choices" generally, which is rare in NYC.) They deliver at SLR.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: I'm delivering there (SLR) in the next week or so, God Willing! I am very hapy with the Rhee group, I'm finally meeting all of them. Who delivered your baby?
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]DS is 3 - Alice Lee was with the practice when I delivered him and she was my main doctor. But Dr. Bradley was on call for most of my delivery and I liked her a lot. Is she back from maternity leave?
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Bradley is pregnant now, and still around the office, I saw her walking around the office last week. Lee is not there anymore, its Oliveras and Huang.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 02:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]when is dr. bradley due?
[ Reply | Options ]08.09.08, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:36 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]^^NYPH. I attempted a vbac but did not progress. she was very supportive and a great doc.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thank you.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Did current OB deliver #1 and was that a c-section for reasons that would make VBAC risky?
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 02:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]jay bauman.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 02:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Would you consider using a midwife? I had my VBAC in a hospital (not NYC) with midwives who were wonderful and so critical to my success! They also had great OB backup (all CNMs do) and it would have been no problem to have an emerg c/s if it had been necessary.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Can anyone recommend a good doctor in NYC who is supportive of VBAC? My current OB is...
Talk : : August 06, 2008
Can anyone recommend a good doctor in NYC who is supportive of VBAC? My current OB is pushing for a c-section and I would like to give a VBAC a try. Of course, if it fails, I would like the doctor/hostpital to be good at handling emergency c-sections. Thanks for your suggestions
[ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.06.08, 01:29 PM [ Flag ]
[+] Has anyone had VBAC at Cornell with Dr. Kalish? When I first went to her I mentioned... 15 replies
- , labor as long as you can at home--a VBAC is always more likely to be successful the less...? Asked whether you are a candidate for a VBAC and if not, why not? Can you try?...wanting a C-section and your reasons for wanting a VBAC and see what happens. I'm pretty sure that...unsupportive in teh end. If you really want a VBAC, you'll likely need to switch out of an unsupportive group. Signed, happy and supported VBAC mom...
Talk : : August 06, 2008
Has anyone had VBAC at Cornell with Dr. Kalish? When I first went to her I mentioned I may want to have a VBAC, but as delivery time is getting closer, she is pushing to schedule a C-section just prior to 39 weeks. As of yet, I don't have any additional risk factors that may ocmplicate VBAC (diabetes, previous ruptions, etc.) and want to at least give VBAC a try, but hate that it seems I ave to force the idea on my OB. Any suggestions?
15 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.06.08, 10:30 AM [ Flag ]i think it's fair to say that you'll wait for labor and give yourself a chance. they should respect that.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 11:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oy. Scheduled c-s prior to 39 weeks? That is NOT a vbac-friendly doc. If switching providers is not an option, I would just really hold fast and say you're not agreeing to a scheduled c/s without medical reason. When you go into labor, labor as long as you can at home--a VBAC is always more likely to be successful the less it is intervened with. Stay off the monitor until the last possible moment (de facto, labor at home as long as you can). Good luck.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 11:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why did you choose Kalish in the first place? Isn't she with a high risk practice? I imagine she does lots of Csections as a result. Why did you have a C the first time?
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 11:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and... have you spoken with her? Asked whether you are a candidate for a VBAC and if not, why not? Can you try? Because I'm pretty sure none of us are going to be in the delivery room with you... Good luck getting a healthy baby, which of course is the point.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 11:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think you should talk to her about her reasons for wanting a C-section and your reasons for wanting a VBAC and see what happens. I'm pretty sure that she is part of a group where you will be delivered by whomever is on call and not her personally (unless she's on call) so it's unlikely about her own convenience. I think you need to start a dialogue about it. Why did you have a C-section last time?
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 11:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I had a large baby 10 lbs, 7 oz. Went into labor (very weak labor, contractions not strong) and after 24 hours doctor said it was time to do C-section. The baby was not in distress.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]had the baby moved down? as in, do you think baby could fit through your pelvis, or was that a reason labor didn't progress?
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
This is NOT uncommon. So many OB's seem fine, if noncommittal in the beginning, but are unsupportive in teh end. If you really want a VBAC, you'll likely need to switch out of an unsupportive group. Signed, happy and supported VBAC mom
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 11:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]me too and... switched from an OB practice that pulled this same shit with me to a homebirth midwife.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 11:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Great for you! I also switched to midwives but had a hospital birth.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think midwives are the key in any setting :-)
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
kalish is a highly qualified SURGEON. she's always going to suggest you err on the side of caution. She's fantastic in the OR. I had to have a c (prior c, twins) and i thank goodness itwas her. that said she's also intelligent and cool so i'm sure she'll work with you. just don't expect it to be her 1st choice.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 12:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]every OB is a surgeon. It's a surgical specialty. Are you implying that all OBs are going to push surgery? because if you are, then for the most part, you're right. Somehow I suspect that wasn't your point.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]in fact it was my point. and as a high risk ob, kalish does more surgery than most.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 05:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I had Kalish for my first dc, which ended in section for ROM >24 hrs, FTP, maternal fever etc. Not really sure...got augmentation around 9 hrs in and that precipitated an epi, and it all went downhill from there....yadda yadda.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Has anyone had VBAC at Cornell with Dr. Kalish? When I first went to her I mentioned... 2 replies
- I had a consultation with Kalish and didn't go to her because she wasn't as pro vbac as I wanted. That said, I know people who've had unmedicated births with her, which you wouldn'...if you stand your ground, she will come around. A few words of advice: GET A DOULA. VBAC won't happen if you don't. Ask her who she recommends as a doula, and chances...if things don't work out as planned and you DO end up needed another c/s. Also, vbac is sooooo worth it. Try and do it!...
Talk : : August 06, 2008
Has anyone had VBAC at Cornell with Dr. Kalish? When I first went to her I mentioned I may want to have a VBAC, but as delivery time is getting closer, she is pushing to schedule a C-section just prior to 39 weeks. As of yet, I don't have any additional risk factors that may ocmplicate VBAC (diabetes, previous ruptions, etc.) and want to at least give VBAC a try, but hate that it seems I ave to force the idea on my OB. Any suggestions?
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.06.08, 10:30 AM [ Flag ]I had a consultation with Kalish and didn't go to her because she wasn't as pro vbac as I wanted. That said, I know people who've had unmedicated births with her, which you wouldn't think she'd be up for either. I think if you stand your ground, she will come around. A few words of advice: GET A DOULA. VBAC won't happen if you don't. Ask her who she recommends as a doula, and chances are she'll let you guys do your thing.
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 12:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^ and you'll know you're in great hands if things don't work out as planned and you DO end up needed another c/s. Also, vbac is sooooo worth it. Try and do it!
[ Reply | Options ]08.06.08, 12:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I know it's not right to want a C-Section, but EVERYONE I spoke to who has had one sa... 68 replies
- Ditto except for the spinal. I had an emergency c/s with #1 and a natural vbac with #2 and the experience the second time was euphoric compared with the first. LOVED my vag delivery, even though I had...
- Go for it, sister! My vbac was the most amazing experience for me. -np...
Talk : : August 03, 2008
I know it's not right to want a C-Section, but EVERYONE I spoke to who has had one said it was much easier then vaginal delivery. I know can't elect one, nor would I, but the thought of it does sound better since they estimate my db at 8lbs already. Flame if you must. I thought because I was petite (5'2") I'd have a much smaller baby, I guess that has nothing to do with it.
68 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.03.08, 07:22 PM [ Flag ]Having had one, I can say that it's so NOT easier. Yeah, you're not in labor, but then there's the whole not being able to use your abdominal muscles for 8 weeks, which is a pain (quite literally) if you're b/fing or basically trying to do anything at all. If I had to do it over again, I would've at least attempted vaginal birth. I didn't do it b/c my OB convinced me it would be dangerous, but I found out later that she tries to get ALL her patients to get c/s so she doesn't have to get up in the night to deliver babies. Classy.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 08:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]who was your ob?
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would love to know this, too. Unusual that a female OB would be involved in this kind of bs. -np
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 12:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
My OB told me that the insurance companies are always pressuring doctors to do C-sections. Apparently they get fewer claims.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm 5'2" and gave birth to my 8lb 9oz son vaginally without drugs - hard work but really no big drama. If you ask people who chose door number 2 whether that was the best door to choose, they'll seldom say no...
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 10:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My 5'2" sister was told at 38 weeks that her baby was already over 8 lbs. Her dd was born two weeks later at 6 lbs 10 oz. I wouldn't put too much stock in how big they tell you your baby is now.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 04:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]so true. I've heard stories like this dozens of times.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yeah, those weight estimates are not only way off, they always seem to be OVERestimated.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not always. My ds measured 7lbs 10oz (+/- 5 oz) at 37 weeks and he was 8lbs 11 oz when he was born a week later.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yep, I was told my baby would be more than 10 lbs! She was born 7 lbs. 5 oz.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I was told my baby was less than 7, born at 8pds
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.08, 08:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It is a much harder recovery. One only need to walk down a maternity ward to see how much more uncomfortable & in pain c/s moms are.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 04:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do it! I had vag delivery and my recovery sucked. My mom had 3 c/s and said her recovery was a snap compared to mine. And my l&d was nothing special! Relatively quick. I'm opting for c/s next time I think.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you're hideous, as is your advice.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]"hideous"? huh, i don't get.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's uncalled for. my baby still has a bump on his head from l&d a year later. my friend's sister's baby broke her shoulder in delivery. i think c/s is better for the baby.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You are SO WRONG. What is bad for the baby is the overly medicalized, interventive and restrictive management of birth on the typical l&d. You should be comparing that to better management of birth, not surgical delivery.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 06:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]there are arguments both ways. there are always instances when it is better to have natural or c/s. don't be such an extremist. it weakens your arguemtn.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thanks, but about this, I'm extreme. When I hear such incredibly misguided statements as "c/s is better for the baby" (pretty extreme in its own right, no?) it makes me livid. Women are fighting for the wrong things.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 07:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITTTTTA. -np
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yeah, justifying c/s in this way is preposterous. If the fetus is in distress and there is medical need for a section, fine. Otherwise, you'd have to be a fool to volunteer for elective surgery to circumvent a basic bodily function.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 12:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not to mention having your db born filled with all those c/s drugs and then having an invalid for a mom for the first few weeks.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 12:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: I thought a vaginal was better for the baby because the process of coming down the canal forces the lungs to work properly
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's absolutely correct. Contractions and then the trip down the birth canal are very beneficial for the baby. Babies born by c/s have much higher rates of respiratory distress.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Who in the world is this EVERYONE? Have they had both?? I've had both a vaginal delivery and a c-section and no way in hell is the surgery easier, that is such bullshit. Not to mention the recovery. I thought the c/s sucked, it was painful, I felt so disconnected from the birth of my child, I was hunched over and in pain afterward and out of it on the meds. Also had a backache for SIX months from the motherf***ing spinal.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ditto except for the spinal. I had an emergency c/s with #1 and a natural vbac with #2 and the experience the second time was euphoric compared with the first. LOVED my vag delivery, even though I had significant tearing, and was back to normal so fast. No comparison at all. Don't be a dolt, OP.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 12:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I had 2 vaginal, non-medicated births. After the 2nd one, I seriously could understand the appeal of a C-section.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^ I guess my point is, no matter how you do it, birthing a child can be extremely painful, scary, burdensome sometimes, and other times, it can be exhilarating, amazing, one-of-a-kind experience. But we all made this choice, so you just have to deal with the cards you're dealt.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, but there is a lot of emphasis and talk about the former - too little about the latter. I make a point of sharing my happy unmedicated vaginal birth stories (hard work, like a massive bowel movement plus menstrual cramps but totally manageable). Tell your good birth and newborn stories to pregnant women. They hear so much fearmongering horror.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Me too! I encourage everyone to try natural--it really isn't so bad and can be so rewarding.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
One thing to consider is how many children you want. Every section gets harder and exponentially riskier. Also, being 5'2" has nothing to do with anything.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I had a c-section 4 months ago and it was no picnic. It is major surgery. Every time I had to get up to tend to the baby, I felt severe pain. I couldn't sleep for almost 3 weeks because lying on my side was painful. The pain meds made me nauseous too. And even though I didn't deliver vaginally, I still leaked urine when I laughed for weeks and sex is still pretty painful. I didn't have a choice about how to deliver b/c of preeclampsia, but it certainly seems like the recovery from a vaginal birth is MUCH easier.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 06:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^and I forgot to mention the horrible, constant, pounding headache I had for a week from the spinal.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 06:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm so sorry. Next time, try for a vbac--the recovery feels like an absolute picnic comparatively, btdt.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 06:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I've had two c-sections and if I were you I would go for vag. first. I recovered OK after my first C. But my second baby was preemie -- arrived early because the placenta was growing over the old C scar and became compromised. And the second C -- which they gave me because I had had a first C -- was a killer. Almost one year later, parts of my stomach are still numb. I wish I had tried for VBAC.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 06:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The numbness sucks!
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 06:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Thanks, but unfortunately this will be our one and only dc. We may adopt, but I was told not to become pregnant again. The preeclampsia was really out of control and we almost didn't make it. I wish I could have experienced a natural birth (I never even had a labor pain!), but it doesn't look like it is in the cards for us.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 06:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I only have 1 child so far and had a c-section so have nothing to compare it to, but mine was relatively easy. I think I have a high tolerance for pain though and I did not labor before the c-section so did not have the added stress of having gone through hours of contractions/pushing. I was up the first morning walking around and totally able to care for the baby by the time I got home from the hospital. I did have some pain for the first 2 weeks of course, but tylenol took care of it. but to speak to your weight estimate, my dr. told me 2 weeks before I had the c that I'd be lucky if db was 6 lbs. and he turned out to be almost 9 lbs, so maybe don't put too much faith in that estimate!!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am petite like you and DB was est. near 8lbs near the end of my pg. I just assumed it would be a vag birth, although I was worried about getting an episiotomy, but DB wouldn't descend and I ended up getting a C section. Yes it was a painful recovery, but DB was in distress so completely necessary. I wouldn't choose it though, I felt very disconnected during the surgery - it's almost like you are one of those ladies about to be sawed in half in a magician's box with a drape between you and your body. If we have a 2nd DB, I will try VBAC.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 06:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Go for it, sister! My vbac was the most amazing experience for me. -np
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 12:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
My c-section was a piece of cake. I think it really depends on the person physically and psychologically. If you have your heart set on a vag delivery or have strong feelings about it then a c-section can be very hard psychologically. Also, I apparently recover from surgery easily. I had very little recovery pain and no residual pain. Some folks have a lot of pain after major surgery and some even have random pain for a long time after. I guess my point is, don't put too much stock in other people's experiences and I hope you end up with the best situation for you.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm 5'3" and petite. I had a 7lb 4 oz baby vaginally. She was posterior so was pretty hard to push out. Baby was also estimated at 8 pounds but I had her a week early. I had some tearing but the recovery was very quick and easy. I was walking around right afterwards and while I had some pain I'm sure it doesn't compare to pain after c/s. I wouldn't opt for a c/s if there was no medical reason to do so. Unless your doctor is concerned you shouldn't be either.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 07:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Same, but 5'4", petite, and had a 8lb 9oz baby vaginally with 30 minutes of pushing. No problems.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
How can EVERYONE who has had a c-section say normal is worse when anyone who has had a c-section most likely has never experienced a normal birth??
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 07:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]When I compare my recovery to sisters/friends who delivered vaginally, it is obvious that they had a better experience. The recovery from a c-section is exponentially longer and more painful.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
That happened to my petite sister-in-law her first pregnancy -- too much weight gain + bad ob who doesn't tell you this or care = too big baby. During her second pregnancy she kept her weight down and had a successful VBAC.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 07:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you'll be fine. don't worry....just trust your body (and the epi). besides, those estimates are usually way off anyway. gl.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I totally understand, I very seriously considered a section with my ds (he's 13 wks) in the end I had a vaginal delivery and in all honestly it really wasn't that bad. Ds was 9lbs so not a small baby! Have the epidural and you will be fine. I know some people do have difficult experiences but I think more often than not it's actually ok but you just don't hear about those stories.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]1) weight estimates are very inaccurate and being 5'3" I had an 8lb, 2oz baby with no problems and 2) c-section is major abdominal surgery, so maybe easier for the labor, but not the recovery and 3) c-section isn't as healthy for the baby
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My 5'4" sister gave birth to an almost 10lb ds -- your body does what it has to.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I had both and the c-section sucked big time. It takes so much longer to recover from the surgery. Plus, it is major surgery!
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 12:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i've had two vaginals and one c-section. the second vaginal was by far the easiest of all of them. i think first births are very hard on the body - vaginal or c-section. and i think a good c-section is harder to recover from than a good vaginal. b ut that's just my experience. i don't know if it works that way across the board.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 12:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My first vaginal was a breeze (no drugs). Second was tough because baby had to be rushed out so labor was started with pitocin but I still got him out with out any other meds.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm 5'2" and just had 2nd baby vaginally 7lbs 11 oz w no epi 3 weeks ago and I've been feeling recovered since day 4 or 5. baby #1 was 8lbs 6oz also vag but had medication(epi) took 1 whole week to feel better.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that said I think you don't really get to "plan " your delivery very much ( or I would have had the epi w #2) so do what you can and hope for the best. GL
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i was you. i wanted a c-section. i ended up having a vaginal delivery and it was fine. i am also 5'5 and small framed. i had a really good experience. the ladies that roomed with me both had c-sections..they were hooked up to machines after, needed help going to the bathroom. they seemed miserable and i was fine as soon as my epi wore off. yeh my vag was sore but it wasn't too bad. percesets helped a lot.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^p.s. they usually measure babies inaccurately.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I am 5'2 and have had two kids, both nearly 9lbs, vaginally. Both times I was up and about the same day, as soon as the epidural wore off sufficiently, and by the next day, aside from some soreness, I felt totally fine. Everyone has their own thing - for me, feeling great ASAP was an incredible blessing.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I didn't make it to the hospital in time for an epidural the second time around. I never would have planned it that way, but I felt fine about 10 minutes after the birth!
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i had a c and if you think being fileted like a flounder is easier that vaginal go ahead and ask for one
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]one of each here--c-section recovery was 100 times worse. . .
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]c-section was a piece of cake...elective and would do it again in a heartbeat. was up and out of hospital after two days.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 06:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]80% of female obgyns elect to have a c-section for their own deliveries. Much less risk for the baby.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 07:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's heavily influenced by their inability to take time off. scheduling fits in better with the demands of their practice.
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.08, 07:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's also because they can't take time off and scheduling surgery is easier for them.
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.08, 07:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's also easier to fit in with the demands of medical practice. I've done both. CS is not an "easy out".
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.08, 07:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sorry for the duplicates--Firefox went flaky!
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.08, 07:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
2 cents. I really enjoyed the experience of being in labor and for some that is all the difference. Yes, it is better for db, yes, the recovery is shorter, however I loved the excitement of the contractions, DH there, baby emerging. It was hard, but exhilarating. My gf who had a cs (medical reasons) hopes that if she goes for #2, she will be able to deliver vaginally for that reason alone. And I did get an epi and worked with a mid-wife. She was wonderful.
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.08, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Last c-section I had, my child and I just about died due to anesthesia errors and als... 27 replies
- op: no vbac for me , tried on my second cs, and it was a no...about labors is telling people to get a midwife and do a VBAC (or first natural birth) - its not for everyone!...
- np but the risks of VBAC are higher than repeat C...
- of labor after 2 emergency c-sections. And I am VERY pro vbac (had one myself and loved it). -np...
Talk : : July 30, 2008
Last c-section I had, my child and I just about died due to anesthesia errors and also dr. neglect. I really liked my care up until then, and still am not convinced it was HER fault. Do I use her and talk to her about it, or pick someone else this time?
27 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.30.08, 01:12 PM [ Flag ]pick someone else.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would go to someone else but I'm sure if you stay with her she will make extra sure nothing bad (under her control) happens. GL
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]good god. pick someone else
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]God, pick someone else, for sure. Pick a midwife and go for a VBAC.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why must everyone push this?
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yeah right--everyone. Except all the doctors and hospitals that won't even allow you to consider it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: no vbac for me , tried on my second cs, and it was a no go. I have had HORRIBLE labors. I am sure that if I lived a 100 years ago, I would be dead right now. I am not pushing my luck.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np-c-sections get way more dangerous the more of them you have. By pg #3 your risks of accreta, rupture, hemmorhage, infection and hysterectomy have skyrocketed--did they not go through this with you?
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np but the risks of VBAC are higher than repeat C
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that is completely inaccurate. There's just no way at all you could look at the available data and reach that conclusion, especially when we're talking about a 3rd section. (Unless, of course, she had a vertical incision, or has some chronic or physiological reason she absolutely cannot give birth vaginally.)
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]well, it's what my ob and my bf's ob said. I'm not a doc so hard to know for sure I guess. Either way, the risks are fairly small
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Here's the thing: OBs have a huge legal motivation to push c-sections. NOT because they are safer (quite the opposite) but because in a medical malpractice lawsuit it is considered the option of last resort and they're always in a better position having done one than not (regardless of whether it would have changed the outcome at all, or for better, or for worse). Women really need to know this and be their own advocates; instead, they worship OBs as infallible.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't worship my OB as infallible, but I do trust her judgement. For me at least, a repeat C was a good choice. I don;t think this is a one size fits all thing
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree with you there.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ITA with everything you've said about c-sections, but I highly doubt OP is going to find a doctor who will allow her to have a trial of labor after 2 emergency c-sections. And I am VERY pro vbac (had one myself and loved it). -np
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you're probably right. But an in-hospital midwife probably would, which is why I suggested that.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
it just seems like every UB post about labors is telling people to get a midwife and do a VBAC (or first natural birth) - its not for everyone!
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yea, reality is wouldn't that be nice, but it is not everyone's choice. People on here don't really want to hear other people's opinions. They just want to hear their opinions validated.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]HAHAHA. Then they're really ocming to the wrong place, don't you think? Women on here give their opinions and there are certainly PLENTY of pro-epidural, pro-c/s, pro-formula opinions; I'll feel free as a bird to give my own.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
similar boat. last two pregnancies have had weird situations. one was definitely not the doctor's fault. the other one i'm not so sure, leaning towards not. but i think i'm ready to just start new with someone else.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: don't you feel like they know your history though? This is the only one who has been inside of me. She knows my scar tissue, etc. What a crappy choice huh?
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]She doesn't REMEMBER being in side of you, for goodness' sake. She has the same relationship to the inside of your uterus as any other obstetrical surgeon who can get a glimpse at your chart.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL--really--do you know how many c/s these doctors do?
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: when you had enough of a situation at your l&d, your doctor remembers it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: actually she does, b/c like i said I almost dies...that doesn't happen everyday. I am sure she isn't going to remember everything, but she does remember my particular case, my scar tissue, etc. They actually do remember more important things like that
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
this wasn't my first doctor. my previous pregnancies had been smooth sailing compared to these last two. i don't know the right answer, but i'm ready to just start fresh.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 01:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I just had my 6 wk. postpartum checkup, and my doc had to check her notes for all questions about the specifics of the delivery. They do a LOT of deliveries. She will not remember anything that isn't written in your chart and available for any other doctor to see as well. Switch docs if you want, there will be no difference in terms of one doctor "knowing" you better than another.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 02:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Was in Prenatal Yoga last week and some women mentioned St. Lukes and some mentioned ... 10 replies
- the birting center is within SLR, it is for women who want unmedicated births. there are some restrictions for use (for women with high rsik pregnancies, no VBACs, etc.)I think you do have to register in advacne. they show it as part of the SLr tour. i delivered at SLR twice and had positive experiences both times, it seems like a nice option if that is what you want....
Talk : : July 28, 2008
Was in Prenatal Yoga last week and some women mentioned St. Lukes and some mentioned Roosevelt Birthing Center as their hospitals... the last woman said I'm at St. Lukes Roosevelt but now wish I was at the Birthing Center. Can anyone shed some light on the difference? If interested in the Birthing Center do I need to register in advance??
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.28.08, 09:53 AM [ Flag ]the birting center is within SLR, it is for women who want unmedicated births. there are some restrictions for use (for women with high rsik pregnancies, no VBACs, etc.)I think you do have to register in advacne. they show it as part of the SLr tour. i delivered at SLR twice and had positive experiences both times, it seems like a nice option if that is what you want.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 09:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thank you - very helpful
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 10:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]could I have more typos? you are welcome, good luck.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 10:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ](who cares about typos - you are probably busy - I appreciate your response)
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 10:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
it's one floor down from the regular l&d floor at Roosevelt. Only some of the OBs and midwives deliver there. IMO, it's no contest--unless you're absolutely sure you want the epi, go for the birth center. Of course they find every possible reason to risk you out, which is incredibly frustrating, but at least you have a chance.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 10:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]As the above poster says, your OB or midwife has to deliver there, not all do. Also, you need to take a special birthing center class, offered by the SLR Parent & Family Education Center. It's on the 11th floor (1 floor below regular Labor & Delivery)
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 10:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ](Hit enter too soon, sorry!) Each room looks a bit like a country hotel room -- regular queen bed, a rocking chair, jacuzzi bath in the room too -- but medical equipment is hidden away behind pictures, etc., in case you need it. Or, if an emergency, they whisk you up a floor to L&D. You have to be a low-risk pregnancy, and you can't be more than 6 days late. I delivered my son there 3 1/2 years ago, and will (hopefully) deliver #2 there in a couple of weeks. It's a wonderful (for me) combination of hospital and home/natural birth if you want a completely unmedicated delivery with no medical intervensions. Another benefit -- 1 nurse for every 2 patients in the birthing center, and you're usually on your way home in a day. Anyway, you can learn more here: http://www.nywomenshealth.com/birthing-center-st-lukes-hospital-new-york.htm
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 10:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]all very good information. I am using Oxford insurance - does the Birthing Center take insurance?
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 11:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I had Oxford when I delivered my son. Yes, same insurance and billing process as the hospital overall (but MUCH less expensive too!) If your plan only pays a percentage, delivering in the birthing center is significantly cheaper. I just got the paperwork to register for the hospital, and the birthing center nightly price was half that of a regular semi-private room in L&D. Don't remember exactly how much (plus your insurance will negotiate it's own rate) but out of pocket it was something like $4800/private room, $4150 semi-private, and $2100 for birthing center.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 12:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thank you!
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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