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(2 weeks ago)  #1 markhorner

nice read, seems a bit silly of them not to take control over these things tbh !

(2 weeks ago)  #2 myMYM|Wind

Looking forward to see if ESWC will respond to this..

(2 weeks ago)  #3 myMYM|Phil I think they need to. The National Partners have a responsibility to follow the ruleset - just as well as the players have to. So I expect them to at least reprimand the Ukrainian organizers. I'm forever blowing bubbles! (2 weeks ago)  #9 Moule Indeed, and the Ukrainian organizers can not do a such thing that's scandalous.... very nice column Phil! Packard Bell Four Kings Editor

(2 weeks ago)  #4 myMYM|uNder

this is fucking ridicilous ... even if you lose > never give up !

(2 weeks ago)  #5 Unbelievable

Scandals-scandals-scandals everywhere... On the other side, it helps to get additional attention...

(2 weeks ago)  #6 myMYM|matthe88

Shouldnt it be rule>>> all? TT I=I=I=I=I=I=I The fence of the Ancients I=I=I=I=I=I

(2 weeks ago)  #7 charm

Quoting uNder: this is fucking ridicilous ... 100 % agree...

(2 weeks ago)  #8 4uVirge

faggots!!

(2 weeks ago)  #10 WGv1lat

Guys! Everything is normal Why Ukraine has to pay trip to USA for RUSSIAN team??? Yes 3 players are from Ukraine, but it is russian project, and all players live in Russia.. So at ESWC we'll see 2 russian teams and ZERO form Ukraine!!! It is not normal! Organizers will not send DotA team but they'll pay for Russian CS team....... It is normal?

(2 weeks ago)  #11 VieuMove   But rules are rules. And VP should have been allowed to keep its name and represent Ukraine. (2 weeks ago)  #16 myMYM|Phil See this is where you are wrong. While Virtus might is a Russian project, that has nothing to do with the nationality of the players. When the ESWC Ukraine buy the rights to hold a qualifier, they also accept to send the team that wins - no matter where that team's organiztion comes from. Russian or not, even the Ukrainian ESWC organizers have to follow the rules. I'm forever blowing bubbles! (2 weeks ago)  #18 roychez MYM is Danish "project", should their Polish Counter-Strike team attend the Danish qualifiers then? (2 weeks ago)  #19 LINKAGE Basically, following your ideal, SK wouldn't be allowed as the project is German and the team Swedish, MYM the same way as it's Danish and their team is Polish, Fnatic are Australian and their team is also Swedish as SK. It's not about the project or brand they represent, it's about the team being 3/5 Ukrainian and thus can only participate on ESWC Ukraine, they could never attend the Russian qualifier with that team, by ESWC rules they are Ukrainian. End of story. www.fraglider.pt

(2 weeks ago)  #12 VirtusJolie

v1lat ahahahahahah

(2 weeks ago)  #13 Moule

Virtus Pro is a Russian based organization yeah, but since 3/5 of their players are from Ukraine the team is from Ukraine and not Russia ^^ that's really ridiculous to do a such thing, and moreover ESWC should apply its rules and nothing more, Virtus shouldn't be blamed they just do what they are supposed to do and nothing more... those eswc guys from Ukraine are scandalous Packard Bell Four Kings Editor

(2 weeks ago)  #14 EverShine

Very nice article, lots of detail, and looking forward to the respond from ESWC.

(2 weeks ago)  #15 myMYM|Dendra

well after gus hiddink sent his own countrymen home crying with a painful loss..i believe anything can happen :) If force won't work, use greater force.

(2 weeks ago)  #17 PainK

axaxax *PaiN* StriKe lyK LiGhtnin

(2 weeks ago)  #20 MYM|Army

Should teams then join organisations from weird countries to attend easier ESWC qualifiers? Last edited by Army at 25.06.2008, 12:46 pobudeczka na bacon i jajeczka

(2 weeks ago)  #21 myMYM|Dendra good point and sadly yes, it happens often in sports - you cant find a spot in your own country so you go represent the other country, or your country sux so you go somewhere where you will be able to participate in whatever tournaments/stuff you wanted to participate in, best example is croatian guy playing for Austria (if i'm correct), in his prime cro had no good national team so he switched to austria :) If force won't work, use greater force.

(2 weeks ago)  #22 sunR

yes , but being mostly ukrainian I think you may be overlooking the fact that they may no longer compete with their starting line-up in the russian qualifier and thus being forced to compete in the ukrainian one . I don't think an easier qualifier was what they had in mind, but one where they could compete with their starting line-up . Also , fnatic is an australian based organization for all i know but you don't see them competing in their national qualifier :] , so I'm nute sure organizations do that Today is that tomorrow you were worried about yesterday /x

(2 weeks ago)  #23 _evan

This is a perfect example of the type of incident which is often overlooked by the columnists and better writers, meaning the behavior is often ignored and tolerated. It would be great if there was a 'full time' writer who wrote a few comment pieces every week highlighting (while trying to remain as 'objective' as possible) the problem areas behind issues like this, generally educating the masses at the same time. As for the actual subject, the Electronic Sports World Cup (ESWC) will be hesitant to interfere purely because their regional partnership scheme is one of the few legitimate ways they as a company can produce money. Though they've a vested interest to try and avoid anyone dragging their name through the mud (something the Cyberathlete Professional League [CPL] failed to do), it's doubtful whether they would've said anything unless Virtus.Pro decided to boycott the event, but even then Virtus.Pro need ESWC more than the ESWC needs them. The Ukrainian partner is probably a small private business with a limited budget and their market strategy probably revolves around promoting Ukrainian nationalism, possibly feeling the Virtus.Pro brand had strong conations with Russia and would be counter productive to their investment. This is perfectly understandable and they're trying to make money just like the players and Virtus.Pro as an organisation are, someone needs to take a stand otherwise other partners will only try more intrusive forms of marketing in future.

(2 weeks ago)  #24 myMYM|Phil As you can see from this piece, it's rather useless to try and "educate" people. Controversial headlines and provocative writing always tend to get much more attention than controversies on this comparative "low" level. And I agree with your last two paragraphs. I thought about adding the pros and cons to the column, but decided against it to avoid a too long piece. I'm forever blowing bubbles! (2 weeks ago)  #25 _evan Quoting Phil: As you can see from this piece, it's rather useless to try and "educate" people. Controversial headlines and provocative writing always tend to get much more attention than controversies on this comparative "low" level. Well not everyone can be as insightful as you and I, otherwise there would be no need for journalists :P I agree that you've to sensationalise somewhat to grab peoples attention, but I don't think we should give up on trying to educate people just yet! (2 weeks ago)  #26 myMYM|Phil Haha, that's one point I didn't think about :p I think we can try all we want, but the general approach to columnists in eSport is "if it's hard to read, understand or interpret, let's flame the author or write tl;dr". I'll never give up though, and Mr. McInmussen (!!! :D) will digg deeper in the rotten world of eSport! Ok, admitted, I'm a bit bored right now. Last edited by Phil at 26.06.2008, 20:15 I'm forever blowing bubbles!

(1 week ago)  #27 exceLsis_

Ukraine ESWC are afraid of Russians team representing them? rofl