February 27 2006

Edgeio Launches

Nik Cubrilovic

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After much anticipation and a period of being available to a private audience the team at Edgeio took the covers off of their creation tonight and launched to the general public. Edgeio takes listings (classifieds) from RSS-enabled sources and organizes them in a central location for users to be able to browse and search. The Edgeio ethos is that content belongs on the edges, and that is where the name originates from (Edge input/output). Content on the edges means the content on the millions of blogs and other sites out there which Edgeio does a good job of aggregating and organizing.

From a seller’s perspective, to post an item you write about it on your blog and tag it ‘listing’ (along with any other keywords which are suitable to categorize the item for sale). Edgeio taps into the blog cloud via weblogs.com and other ping services (as well as its own ping server which is at http://www.edgeio.com/RPC2) to find new posts that have been tagged for listing. Once it finds your post, which usually happens very quickly, it will send a trackback to your post to make you aware that Edgeio has found it. Once you have posted, the first time you post an item you will need to go to Edgeio to claim your blog (a process that works similar to Technorati’s) from which point you can add additional metadata to your listing within Edgeio. The additional data you enter includes things like additional tags to categorize the item, your geographic location (which again you only enter once and is used when you search for items to buy as well) and the price of the item. It only takes moments from the time you post your listing to the time that it appears in Edgeio and is available for buyers to find.

geo slider

From a buyers perspective, you can go to Edgeio and then find items that are for sale a number of ways. The first and most obvious way is to enter terms into the search box. This will display results which are item summaries sorted in chronological order. The other way to find items is by browsing through the tag clusters that are located on the front page and working your way down to items that interest you. The last way in which you can find items is interesting, as Edgeio has lists of most popular items, the latest items and the most active weblogs posting items. The popular items list and the latest items list have feeds available for users to subscribe to or use in other applications. One cool thing you notice is the geography slider widget that is persistently in the sidebar while you are looking through items. If you are looking at search results and would like to filter them down to just the state you are in, or the zip code you are in, then you just slide the slider. I have been told that this slider will be even more fine-grained in the near future by giving ’slide points’ which are certain distance radiuses around the current points (eg. Within 10 miles of your current post code). The way the slider works and refreshes the results or the page automatically has been very well implemented and makes a lot of sense. The interface has been very well done, it is clean and easy to understand (I tested this by handing over the URL to a non-tech user and they were able to find listings the may be interested in).

Throughout the search results, listings from blogs that have been claimed gain precedence over unclaimed listings. In the future sellers will have the ability to highlight their listing for a small fee. Reputation is currently handled via third party sites, the seller has an option to associate their listing with their Flickr, eBay or LinkedIn account so that their credibility can be traced back. It appears at the moment that a lot of the transactions on Edgeio will be face-to-face transactions, where verifying credibility is different as opposed to when you are sending payment to somebody you don’t know in a foreign country or another state.

The whole point of Edgeio is to connect the buyer and seller through its platform that aggregates listings, so there are no payment options at the moment nor can you see any account history from buyers or sellers on what they have purchased or sold before. It is currently being left up to the buyer and seller to close the transaction. Edgeio also offers a lot of social controls as a means to keep the listing relevant and current. Users are able to mark a listing as being ‘bad’ by telling Edgeio that the item is spam, that it is no longer current, that is hasn’t been categorized correctly or that the publishers information is not accurate. These forms of social controls and filtering work well on sites such as Craigslist and their effect on Edgeio and how well they work to prevent spam will only be known over time.

On important aspect to Edgeio is the availability of feeds for every part of the system. With standard RSS feeds (Dave Winer is an advisor to the company) developers of other applications or webmasters are able to include items for sale on Edgio into their own sites or applications, or take the listings further in some form of a mashup (I am guessing we will see the first mashups – potentially with Google Maps, shortly). I like the idea of being able to subscribe to a feed that will display new items that may not be available now but I wish to purchase – so I will see them as soon as they are posted.

I subscribe to the theory that the publishing and control of content belongs to the user and that we are heading in that direction. There are a few reasons for this, the first and most important is that the user owns his or her data, even if it is something as simple as a classified listing, so the user should be able to have effective control over the environment where this data is contained. With centralized services such as eBay and Craigslist the buyer and seller are left to the mercy of the platform provider. Blogging has enabled users to create content and publish it on the web easily, so using that platform for listings is only one of a number of potential services that can be built on top of what we have today. The short-term barriers I foresee are the size of this market today and how effective Edgeio will be in promoting itself as the standard place for listings. In terms of scalability, only a much larger inventory will be able to test the theory of having tags and tag clusters as a directory as opposed to a rigid directory structure (which is very hard to maintain and expand). Edgeio is putting categorization and the categories themselves into the hands of users with self-monitoring in place that will attempt to assure that things don’t get out of hand. While having 1,300 or so listings at the time of launch is a good start, the size of the market and the number of listings on blogs will not compare to eBay or Craigslist any time soon (though Edgeio can also use other directories as sources as well, making it a classifieds meta-site).

In the long-term there is a fantastic opportunity, especially since publishing to the web on your own terms is something that is becoming more and more available to ordinary web users (and with services such as MySpace and MSN spaces the number of users is getting really big). Edgeio is a very open platform, they want others to build applications and use the listing content in other sites and applications. I am sure that regardless of the success of Edgeio that its more traditional competition has had to think about their own policies with providing feeds and other openness measures and I hope that the launch of Edgeio may spur change with other platforms.

Edgeio was founded by Keith Teare (easyNet and Realnames) and Micheal Arrington (Techcrunch) along with the founding technical team consisting of Matt Kaufman (There and Realnames) and Vidar Hokstad (Yahoo! Europe). Edgeio have raised $1.5M in angel capital from a large list of investors with names such as Louis Monier, Frank Caufield, Auren Hoffman, the RSS Investors Fund, Jeff Clavier, Ron Conway and Michael Tanne.

Edgeio will need to overcome those barriers, as well as have more and more sellers adopt the model that they are pushing (ie. The ‘listing’ tag). They are going the right way about it, with a very nice interface and some very cool features, along with the will to make this happen and the right people to see it through. The launch is also being reported by Om Malik amonst others.

edgeio screenshot


Disclaimer: Mike Arrington, a founder of Edgeio is also the Founder of this blog. All the opinions expressed in this article are those of the writer (Nik Cubrilovic)

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  1. steven

    Cool idea. It’s nice to be able to list items on your personal site but also know that you’re getting pulled into a service like this for greater attention.

  2. Thomas Manning

    Been looking forward to seeing this since I first heard it announced, exciting! Good work Michael.

    p.s. Go to Wollongong local search example! Nice to see a bit of australian flavour ;)

  3. Orli Yakuel

    congratulation mike!
    the idea behind this, seemed brilliant!
    and i really love the interface of that site, easy and usable for the users. great work.

    good luck with that!!

  4. Jay

    silly idea.

  5. Ben

    I am sorry to say but this site will not take off. Excluding all the spam problems that this website will get, the idea is just plain and directed towards a specific audience.

    The reason why Craigslist and eBay is so popular is because of their broad audience. Edgeio; however, is only useful to those who have a blog. I realize there are millions of blogs out there but it is still a mere percentage compared to the general audience of internet users.

    I expect the hype to die out within a few months and edgeio go down the drain within a year. A waste of 1.5 mil in my opinion.

    I apologize for the harsh comments, but I am just giving you a reality check. Find a way to support a broader audience if you want this to succeed.

  6. Keith Teare

    Ben

    If edgeio was only for educated taggers I think I would share your scepticism, but don’t confuse the initial positioning with the product vision. We made a decision to focus on bloggers who tag for the first 30 days or so. After that we will release tools for Bloggers who do not tag. Follwed by tools for non-bloggers. Edgeio is about the “edge” of the network being empowered to self-publish listings. The edge is people and businesses. Bloggers are a growing and important part of that but not the totality. Already golfnow.com is submitting it’s listings automatically - it has no blog, just an RSS feed. Many realtors and job listings sites are beginning to do the same. In a few months my Mom will be able to post an edgeio ad (she doesn’t even have a computer). So .. I hope you’ll give s the benefit of the doubt that we are sane people with a plan :-)

    Keith Teare
    co-founder/ceo/edgeio

  7. Serge

    What’s with all the bright colors? I can barely see any of the links on my lcd. I think if you guys want to be serious about this you should at least drop all that web 2.0 design nonsense and behave like a real business.

    Why do all these companies you write about don’t get the point that it’s not the new and colorful that makes web easy for users, but it’s the same old, this time, working technology that makes a better user experience.

  8. ariel mcnichol

    Awesome. I love it. I love the scroll-relevancy. Please persue feeds aggresively RIGHT NOW that you’re new and have this window of curious eyeballs. I did a standard housing search for california and got only 2 responses. I am sure that paying a few interns to approach the pluthera of private-rental agencies to feed their ‘edge ads’ would payback quite well.

  9. Serge

    Judging from the number of karma postings in your job section this service is bound to take off in a direction of easy spam.

  10. Oberserver

    Keith,

    I provided my observations back on February 13 regarding Edgeio’s business model. Provided below are those observations. Could you comment on how Edgeio plans to address these observations? Also, what happens if blogging turns out to be more of a fad or fashion (terms from my commercial banking days in the SF Bay Area) and the volume of blogs declines over time because our busy lives don’t afford us the opportunity to blog as much as we do today???

    Obervations Posted on February 13:

    Just a few observations:

    First, I think there’s value in this idea, but, it won’t replace the Craigslists of the Internet. If posting is free on online classified websites, people are likely to post their ads on as many popular classified websites as possible to reach more eyeballs. No different than posting your ads multiple times on Craigslist.

    Second, one could argue that if an Edgeio user needs to modify his/her listing on Edgeio (which is likely after it’s plucked from a user’s blog site), why not go directly to Edgeio and do the heavy lifting there instead of doing the heavy lifting twice? This becomes even more apparent when you factor in the time to become a powerseller. Why not go directly to Edgeio’s website and do all the heavy lifting there at one time??? Hence, I see blogs becoming an entry point for Edgeio short-term (and giving Edgeio the much desired/needed content when pulling the trigger), but, in the long-term, the desire for efficiency may drive such users to go directly to Edgeio to post their ads. Finally, the duplication of efforts and time spent may grow significantly over time for such users as Edgeio competitors crop up.

    Third, and along the lines of my second observation, users of online classified websites will always want to see the final product on a classified website after it’s been posted to make sure that it looks good. So, even if you post an ad on your blog, you’re not done since you will instinctively want to see the ad on Edgeio. And, what about the timing of the scraping? Will the ad get plucked immediately after it’s posted on your blog so you may immediately review/modify/powersell the ad? Or, will you have to wait and continually check back at Edgeio’s website to see when the ad has been posted to review/modify/powersell? If the latter, you will then have to remember to visit Edgeio’s website multiple times in order to eventually view the ad (unless you receive a notice from Edgeio). Finally, if there is a time lag between the posting of the ad on a user’s blog and when it appears on Edgeio’s website, then the Craigslists of the Internet clearly have the upper-hand. As Craig Donato stated at the forum, timing is very critical!!!

    Fourth, I liked the locational slide bar on Edgeio’s website. Very clever! I hope this piece of technology isn’t patented. :-)

  11. Eric

    One complaint so far:
    give your links some color on this page:
    http://edgeio.com/view/faq/

    Or something to signify that they’re actually links without having to hover over them.

    In it’s current state it’s horrible. I’m not referring to the index at the top, but the links inside each item.

  12. Sridhar Vembu

    I believe EdgeIO needs a strategy to serve power sellers [who want to own their listings content], but also allow casual listers, who really don’t care to own it, by directly entering it in the EdgeIO site. In effect, serve the casual Craigslist posters differently from the eBay power seller crowd.

    I have elaborated on this at http://svembu.a...ge-content.html

  13. Brad

    Maybe I’m dense, but what do I gain by posting my guitar for sale on my blog rather than on Craigslist?

  14. Keith Teare

    Hi Observer

    Well, we agree we will not replace CraigsList. That isn’t our goal. I know others have described edgeio as a “CraigsList killer” but really, that is mainly hype. Craig has about 5 million listings and about 3 billion page views a month. Why? Because it does a good jon for its users. That isn’t going to change.

    Our goal is different, to give power to users who want to self-publish listings easily.

    On your second point, we agree. One of our goals - which will happen quickly - is to allow publishing and editing of listings directly on edgeio. This will allow non-bloggers to publish. The “My Listings” area of edgeio will become akin to a presonal listings environment for a publisher, blog or no-blog.

    Power sellers will have their own tools. We are already taking listings from KarmaOne (Jobs); GolfNow (Tee times available); and many realtors, in bulk.

    On timing. We will be able to include a blog-published ad in a few miliseconds if the blog “pings” us at http://www.edgeio.com/RPC2. If we are not pinged directly then the delay is a factor of the ping server the publisher uses. Ping servers are getting batter all the time and this should be only a few seconds in most cases. In the worst case the delay can be up to 45 minutes. There is a sure way to circumvent this. If a publisher enters their URL on the edgeio home page we will index their blog immediately.

    The location sidebar is not patented, although we have patented the entire e-commerce process of publishing at the edge of the network, aggregating via tags into the centre and then re-syndication to the edge; togther with our use of trackback for communications and clustered tagging for search filtering.

    Best
    Keith Teare
    co-founder/ceo/edgeio

  15. Ted

    I was skeptical but now that I’ve heard more from Keith, I’m not.

    Why?

    Because unlike a host of other web 2.0 startups, they’re focusing at the beginning, and going wider later on. That is incredibly important. By focusing on the bleeding part of the edge, they can figure out a lot of the problems, and they can also get the service going before general users find out about it. Worst thing that can happen with something like this is to have an empty market.

    A lot of web 2.0 startups would be better off starting small, focusing, and then opening up to a larger community.

    It’s still very risky, of course, but what good things aren’t?

  16. Srinivasan

    I think some Markup Language will evolve, these things are in the domain of standards bodies. And then, all wordpress and typepad guys will make templates based on that.

    Blog Listings Markup Language?

  17. anthropocentric

    Nik - I recommend you keep your posts shorter.

  18. Blaze

    Those colours are bloody bright. Fair enough I am guessing you wanted it to look “fresh” but that is just plain fluro bright.

  19. Chuka Eze

    How many active bloggers are there? Edgeio is a good idea with some really big holes they would have to fill before they become a prominent commerce system.

    Is Edgeio the a Web 2.0 answer to Craigslist? - Until my mother or sister sets up their blog, they will probably never step foot on the service, so No!. The service has great features, Om likes the slider tool, but people shouldn’t say it’s the next Craigslist!

    To me, Edgeio is currently the blogger version of Oodle. I noticed user’s have the ability to spam, miscategorized or select no longer available, but I don’t want to be responsible for that when I’m searching for a cheap iPod accessory. To test it, I just flagged an item “as spam”, the FAQ says that if another person flags this item, it is temporarily removed until a staff member takes appropriate action. Sounds like the staff will be up late reviewing spam, or legitimate items that got flagged so the other person could have their iPod appear at the top of the lists (just keeping it real, it happens, probably ask Craig).

    My quick recommendations:

    - Charge a quarter or so to filter out junk
    - Maybe allow direct submissions into your website to maybe attract non-bloggers
    - Implement a rating system for buyers (many won’t have time to visit the buyer blog to see how legit it looks)

    (Slightly condensed from my earlier comment on Om).

  20. Demi

    Not impressed. Another web 2.0 start up. I am so sick of these websites that all look the same. Faded, rounded and bubbly looking. Maybe its just me but gmaps mashups are so last Q3-Q4O5. I hope I never see one again.

  21. exeberria

    I don’t see anything special.. except it is a techcrunch site..

  22. Michael Liubinskas

    I think it is interesting and Mark’s comments here made me a bit more comfortable with it.

    My problem is that I can’t see a clear story of how someone uses this and I can’t see exactly how they are going to avoid it getting messy.

    Tags are great, but when I’m searching for a car, I want to use really specific search terms that don’t relate to looking for a house. Automatic, sunroof, low mileage, etc.

    Even well designed, single purpose databases get messy. This already looks messy. I know it’s still filling up, but I tried a lot of keyword searches looking for an apartment to rent, a car to buy or an old iPod and I found it already messy.

    This can all be solved by great algorithms, a la PageRank, but not sure.

    Also, I think that Mike should have just linked to other reviews of this instead of getting Nik to do it. Just a little too close to home and your integrity is everything.

    But I’ll keep playing with it and see how we go.

  23. Clair Ching

    I am currently checking out the structured blogging plug in for WordPress and I am liking it, actually.

    And because I have been posting listings every once in a while, I think that this is really wonderful.

  24. Observer

    Keith,

    Thank you for your responses.

    Just a few more observations (from a user’s perspective).

    First, if the ad is taken from a blog, how long will the ad stay in circulation on Edgeio (without any follow-up modification by the blogger on Edgeio’s website)? Is there a time default for the ads taken off of blogs? I raise this point due to my recent experience selling an armoire on Craigslist. When I posted the ad, I continued to receive several phone calls even after I sold the armoire because I didn’t delete the ad immediately after the sale. I guess that’s why Craigslist uses a time default. The utility of the service can be impaired if potential buyers continually come across items that have already been sold. Of course, Craigslist’s approach is partially flawed since the item may not have sold within the time default thereby forcing the seller to re-post the ad. Perhaps the solution is to send an e-mail to the seller instructing him/her to revisit the website, log in, and extend the time frame, or face the prospect of having the ad deleted from the website. With regards to ads from blogs, does Edgeio require the blogger to revisit its website to extend the time frame or does it re-ping the ads periodically to keep them in circulation under the assumption that if the ad still appears on the blogger’s website, it must not have sold yet? If the latter, how does Edgeio deal with laggards like me that don’t delete ads immediately (if at all) after selling an item?

    Second, and related to the first observation, what if the blogger desires a time frame that’s different than the time default set by Edgeio (assuming a time default is used)? May the blogger set a time frame that’s different than Edgeio’s time default? If so, the blogger is then required to visit Edgeio’s website to make the necessary modification. In other words, the heavy lifting must be done (to a certain degree) at two locations and at two different time periods rather than at one location at one time period. Also, what if the blogger’s item hasn’t sold within the time default set by Edgeio (assuming Edgeio uses a time default)? Is the blogger allowed to extend the time frame on Edgeio’s website? Does the blogger receive a “Notice to Extend” from Edgeio?

    Third, what happens if the blogger decides to modify the ad on the blogger’s website? Is the Edgeio platform designed to update the ad automatically on the Edgeio website, or will the blogger need to make the modification on the Edgio website? If the latter, the redundancy in the heavy lifting is unavoidable since the blogger will most certainly want to maintain continuity between the ad appearing on the blogger’s website and the ad appearing on Edgeio’s website?

    Fourth, how does Edgeio ensure that the blog ads are properly categorized, or put another way, categorized according to the desire of the bloggers? I realize that the modification feature is available at the Edgeio website, but, the purpose of Edgeio is to keep the duplication of efforts to a minimum. Has the platform performed well under QC testing conditions to where the risk of error is remote?

  25. aaron

    mike/keith:

    why not add backfill results? working with oodle or something to give some default content… might take a quite a while to comprehensively cover all categories/geographics on your own

  26. Mathias

    Nice thing this Edgeio, I like the idea … but: According to Edgeio is Graz (which is actually in the beautiful south of in Austria) in Africa ;)

    Well that’s something new for me … according to Edgeio I now live in Africa … seems to fit the idea of carnival / Shrove Tuesday / Mardi Grass :)

    Furthermore I cannot find any things in my region, unless I like traveling to Africa some time to pick them up. ;P

  27. Dutchkabuki

    This is a great addition, its always been difficult to sell things on the internet( excluding ebay, craigslist, amazon used, etc).

    i think you may be missing a few features, i may just need to start my own Web 2.0 business in order to develop those features.

  28. mike

    perhaps you guys should partner up with a tradional platform. a good fit might be the new plugstar dot com site which seems to be coming together. I’m wondering if your dedicated to the edge thing. If you are then i guess you cant partner with anyone.

  29. xleioo

    I am always thinking about how to beat payment-equiped googlebase